Correcting cyl in a wraparound frame??

Hi!

So ... after a successful fitting with the Boston Scleral Lens device,
I'm left with a smidgen of sphere OD and a smattering of lenticular
cyl OU* which--at this point--the Boston Foundation for Sight can't
correct. The corneal portion is zero'd out quite nicely. I'm now:

OD +0.50 -1.25 x090 ADD +1.75
OS pl -1.25 x090 ADD +1.75

The sclerals do a good job of protecting the dry eye ... for as much
as they cover. Still quite vulnerable on the unprotected parts.

Bought the first pair of over-Rx glasses today.

....Single vision - distance only
....Transitions photochromic

Seem okay, but ... without a doubt, they ain't gonna' cut it for
hiking, biking, running, etc. Definitely need close-fitting
wraparounds. Ideally, I'd buy/convert something like my Panoptx
frames (foam gasket).

BUT ... Ye Olde Chaine Store Optical Shoppe tells me that you can't
put cyl into that kind of wraparound frame--not even in a close-
fitting non-gasketed frame like an Oakley (my default shade).

True??

If so, I'm in a very big "Yikes!" position here. I may need that sort
of protection even for things like grocery shopping, movies, air-
conditioned/heated buildings, or ... certainly if I still aspire to
move to Colorado (which simply may not happen if this bit is
insoluble).

A quick check showed:

- Panoptx' order form indicates "Our technicians precisely grind Rx
lenses for
prescriptions +3.00/-3.00D. Ranges to -5.00D are available with our Rx
"Adaptor". Sport
bifocals are also available." It also includes the CYL line on the Rx
portion. BUT ... it doesn't specifically say that their wrapped
lenses can be made with cyl correction;

- Oakley's site gave me no clear indication vis-a-vis its wraparound
frames

- Wiley-X's site seems to allow cyl when entering parameters for
online ordering. No idea, though, if they'd kick it back as not
possible after the ordering process....

What are my options? At a minimum, wrap frames are a must. To do the
things I really want to do, then something like Panoptx/Wiley-X is an
absolute must.

It's NOT important that my wraparounds be bifocal. In fact, I'm just
going to use old OTC readers for anything near until further notice
(had to do /something/ to simplify, huh?)

Anything?

Many thanks....
Neil

* Ye Olde Chaine Store Optical Shoppe noted my PD monocularly, as

OD 27.5
OS 26.0

[Can these be summed to achieve a binocular PD, or isn't it that
simple?]

Neil-good to hear the scleral lenses are working out.

Check out this website:

http://www.rudyprojectusa.com/produc...erception.htm#

Their sports wraparound sunglasses have the option of a smaller Rx
insert, which fits inside the frame--probably could get that done at a
local optical shop. Seems like a good idea. You could get a decent
lens material (not polycarb) for the Rx. But they don't offer the foam
moisture-barrier in the Rx-able frames. Maybe there's a dealer near
you where you could try some on.

Good luck,

C66

On Mar 11, 9:41 pm, callimic...@yahoo.com wrote:

Rudy-Project:
>But they don't offer the foam
> moisture-barrier in the Rx-able frames.

I just had an idea that might work for a foam barrier. You know those
foam linings that are sold for TranquilEyes? Seems like you could try
to find a pair of Rx-able wrap-around frames that had the same shape
as the foam. You could make some small holes in the foam for
ventilation, if needed.

C66

On Mar 12, 8:27 am, Robert Martellaro <rob...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 11 Mar 2007 19:31:41 -0700, "Neil Brooks" <neil0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Hi!
>
> >So ... after a successful fitting with the Boston Scleral Lens device,
> >I'm left with a smidgen of sphere OD and a smattering of lenticular
> >cyl OU* which--at this point--the Boston Foundation for Sight can't
> >correct. The corneal portion is zero'd out quite nicely. I'm now:
>
> >OD +0.50 -1.25 x090 ADD +1.75
> >OS pl -1.25 x090 ADD +1.75
>
> >The sclerals do a good job of protecting the dry eye ... for as much
> >as they cover. Still quite vulnerable on the unprotected parts.
>
> >Bought the first pair of over-Rx glasses today.
>
> >...Single vision - distance only
> >...Transitions photochromic
>
> >Seem okay, but ... without a doubt, they ain't gonna' cut it for
> >hiking, biking, running, etc. Definitely need close-fitting
> >wraparounds. Ideally, I'd buy/convert something like my Panoptx
> >frames (foam gasket).
>
> >BUT ... Ye Olde Chaine Store Optical Shoppe tells me that you can't
> >put cyl into that kind of wraparound frame--not even in a close-
> >fitting non-gasketed frame like an Oakley (my default shade).
>
> >True??
>
> Nope. Assuming a twenty degree horizontal tilt on an eight base, the compensated
> (what the lab would grind to get the correct Rx) is +.48 -1.14 x 90 with .36^
> BI. The difference is so small that it can be ignored.

I had a feeling that wasn't right.

> The sun Rx should be polarized and AR coated. Silhouette frames should be
> considered for their very light weight (less than 3 grams).

Good thoughts on the polarized and AR, but ... the Silhouette
recommendation makes me curious. For the first time in my life, I
have a near-nothing Rx, so ... I wasn't even /thinking/ about light
weight. Was there something else about the Silhouettes that you were
thinking about, too?

What I got for pair #1 (all-around wear when wind protection needs are
low) was a Ray-Ban 3162 BLCK9/52.

http://www.framesdirect.com/framesfp...tclbqg/lb.html

Any reason you might recommend the Silhouette above that, for example?

> >It's NOT important that my wraparounds be bifocal. In fact, I'm just
> >going to use old OTC readers for anything near until further notice
> >(had to do /something/ to simplify, huh?)
>
> Kbco makes a polarized lens in an eight base that is tweaked (multiple degrees
> of asphericity to match the Rx) reduced off-axis blur, although at this power
> any lens design should suffice. Try both the brown and the gray tints. Most
> folks prefer the brown.

That's great, Robert. Many thanks for that. Sounds like a pretty bum
steer by the Chaine Store Optical Shoppe (gee...). Also sounds like
a /better/ optical shop should be able to simply order a replacement,
Rx lens for my /existing/ Panoptx frame. That's a good thing.

> >* Ye Olde Chaine Store Optical Shoppe noted my PD monocularly, as
>
> >OD 27.5
> >OS 26.0
>
> >[Can these be summed to achieve a binocular PD, or isn't it that
> >simple?]
>
> Use the monocular PD, especially if the lens is aspheric. Lower the OC .5mm for
> every one degree of Panto (vertical tilt).

Thanks again, Robert. Muy helpful.

Neil

On Mar 11, 7:48 pm, callimic...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Mar 11, 9:41 pm, callimic...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Rudy-Project:
>
> >But they don't offer the foam
> > moisture-barrier in the Rx-able frames.
>
> I just had an idea that might work for a foam barrier. You know those
> foam linings that are sold for TranquilEyes? Seems like you could try
> to find a pair of Rx-able wrap-around frames that had the same shape
> as the foam. You could make some small holes in the foam for
> ventilation, if needed.
>
> C66

Thanks much, Calli.

These are both good suggestions. I was hoping, however, that
Lenscrafters was simply wrong ... or worse. Sounds like they were.

Ideal would be something that's ready-made, no mods required. The
Rudy Projects (and Bolles, and others that I eventually found) ARE
good sunglasses and should work for the "low speed needs," but ... I'm
going to get my Panoptx converted to prescription ... and be glad for
it.

It's not so much a moisture barrier that I need. Rather, it's that
last degree of protection against the wind. Without it, even close-
fitting NON-gasketed glasses seem to create a swirling eddy of wind
behind the frames when I'm cycling. A Bad Thing, to be sure.

The Panoptx CAN serve as low-speed glasses, if necessary. The
Oakleys, Rudy Projects, etc., -- in my case -- can't effectively be
pressed into "high-speed duty."

Thanks much, again.

Neil

Neil Brooks schreef:
> Hi!
>
> So ... after a successful fitting with the Boston Scleral Lens device,
> I'm left with a smidgen of sphere OD and a smattering of lenticular
> cyl OU* which--at this point--the Boston Foundation for Sight can't
> correct. The corneal portion is zero'd out quite nicely. I'm now:
>
> OD +0.50 -1.25 x090 ADD +1.75
> OS pl -1.25 x090 ADD +1.75
>
> The sclerals do a good job of protecting the dry eye ... for as much
> as they cover. Still quite vulnerable on the unprotected parts.
>
> Bought the first pair of over-Rx glasses today.
>
> ...Single vision - distance only
> ...Transitions photochromic
>
> Seem okay, but ... without a doubt, they ain't gonna' cut it for
> hiking, biking, running, etc. Definitely need close-fitting
> wraparounds. Ideally, I'd buy/convert something like my Panoptx
> frames (foam gasket).


Neil look at the Adidas website.
There you find wrap arounds like for instance the Evil Eye Pro S.
You can mount an insert in this frame that easily can hold your
prescription.

And no I'm not a stockholder off Adidas, so please don't consider this
message as spam.


http://www.adidas.com/eyewear/homesi...e_adidascom=en


Jan (normally Dutch spoken)

On Mar 13, 2:35 pm, Jan <nos...@nospam.nl> wrote:
> Neil Brooks schreef:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi!
>
> > So ... after a successful fitting with the Boston Scleral Lens device,
> > I'm left with a smidgen of sphere OD and a smattering of lenticular
> > cyl OU* which--at this point--the Boston Foundation for Sight can't
> > correct. The corneal portion is zero'd out quite nicely. I'm now:
>
> > OD +0.50 -1.25 x090 ADD +1.75
> > OS pl -1.25 x090 ADD +1.75
>
> > The sclerals do a good job of protecting the dry eye ... for as much
> > as they cover. Still quite vulnerable on the unprotected parts.
>
> > Bought the first pair of over-Rx glasses today.
>
> > ...Single vision - distance only
> > ...Transitions photochromic
>
> > Seem okay, but ... without a doubt, they ain't gonna' cut it for
> > hiking, biking, running, etc. Definitely need close-fitting
> > wraparounds. Ideally, I'd buy/convert something like my Panoptx
> > frames (foam gasket).
>
> Neil look at the Adidas website.
> There you find wrap arounds like for instance the Evil Eye Pro S.
> You can mount an insert in this frame that easily can hold your
> prescription.
>
> And no I'm not a stockholder off Adidas, so please don't consider this
> message as spam.
>
> http://www.adidas.com/eyewear/homesi...nd_adidascom=p...
>
> Jan (normally Dutch spoken)

Dank Je, Jan.

I seem to need four pairs of glasses (another reason that eye pro's
like me!):

Wraparound glasses for "not moving too fast" distance-vision
situations:
1....photochromic/light tinted for evening
2....tinted, polarized, AR coated for daytime (eg, driving)

Hoping to convert my existing Oakleys for one of these

Wraparound, gasketed glasses for active sports, distance-vision:
3....photochromic, polarized, AR coated for all-around

Hoping to convert my existing Panoptx for these
Wraparound (eg, Silhouette) glasses for near-vision tasks
.....photochromic, polarized, AR coated--either progressive or single-
vision with the +1.75 ADD

This is, literally, four pairs of glasses. While that's not the end
of the world, I'd be open to consolidation if there's a practical way
to do it. Could make the "high-speed" gasketed wraps my primary
glasses, but ... would prefer not to look to extra-terrestrial ALL the
time....

I've NEVER worn bifocals before, and am slightly concerned about
trying to adapt to them when, for example, riding a bicycle at 40km/
hr. Also, since the underlying accommodative and binocular stuff is
still alive and well, I'm not likely to do any prolonged near work to
speak of, so ... separate near glasses might be just fine for me.

One more thing ... if you please. The sclerals have their own funky
optics. I get the ghosting and halo sort of effects a chunk worse
than scl's.

Has anybody had much luck with wavefront spectacles? It seems
possible to do a wavefront scan OVER the sclerals, then Rx from there.

PRE-scleral wavefront showed 3.2% HOA (RMS error: 0.32 OU)

Any thoughts??

Thanks again!
Neil

On Mar 14, 7:34 am, "Neil Brooks" <neil0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 2:35 pm, Jan <nos...@nospam.nl> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Neil Brooks schreef:
>
> > > Hi!
>
> > > So ... after a successful fitting with the Boston Scleral Lens device,
> > > I'm left with a smidgen of sphere OD and a smattering of lenticular
> > > cyl OU* which--at this point--the Boston Foundation for Sight can't
> > > correct. The corneal portion is zero'd out quite nicely. I'm now:
>
> > > OD +0.50 -1.25 x090 ADD +1.75
> > > OS pl -1.25 x090 ADD +1.75
>
> > > The sclerals do a good job of protecting the dry eye ... for as much
> > > as they cover. Still quite vulnerable on the unprotected parts.
>
> > > Bought the first pair of over-Rx glasses today.
>
> > > ...Single vision - distance only
> > > ...Transitions photochromic
>
> > > Seem okay, but ... without a doubt, they ain't gonna' cut it for
> > > hiking, biking, running, etc. Definitely need close-fitting
> > > wraparounds. Ideally, I'd buy/convert something like my Panoptx
> > > frames (foam gasket).
>
> > Neil look at the Adidas website.
> > There you find wrap arounds like for instance the Evil Eye Pro S.
> > You can mount an insert in this frame that easily can hold your
> > prescription.
>
> > And no I'm not a stockholder off Adidas, so please don't consider this
> > message as spam.
>
> >http://www.adidas.com/eyewear/homesi...nd_adidascom=p...
>
> > Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
>
> Dank Je, Jan.
>
> I seem to need four pairs of glasses (another reason that eye pro's
> like me!):
>
> Wraparound glasses for "not moving too fast" distance-vision
> situations:
> 1....photochromic/light tinted for evening
> 2....tinted, polarized, AR coated for daytime (eg, driving)
>
> Hoping to convert my existing Oakleys for one of these
>
> Wraparound, gasketed glasses for active sports, distance-vision:
> 3....photochromic, polarized, AR coated for all-around
>
> Hoping to convert my existing Panoptx for these
> Wraparound (eg, Silhouette) glasses for near-vision tasks
> ....photochromic, polarized, AR coated--either progressive or single-
> vision with the +1.75 ADD
>
> This is, literally, four pairs of glasses. While that's not the end
> of the world, I'd be open to consolidation if there's a practical way
> to do it. Could make the "high-speed" gasketed wraps my primary
> glasses, but ... would prefer not to look to extra-terrestrial ALL the
> time....
>
> I've NEVER worn bifocals before, and am slightly concerned about
> trying to adapt to them when, for example, riding a bicycle at 40km/
> hr. Also, since the underlying accommodative and binocular stuff is
> still alive and well, I'm not likely to do any prolonged near work to
> speak of, so ... separate near glasses might be just fine for me.
>
> One more thing ... if you please. The sclerals have their own funky
> optics. I get the ghosting and halo sort of effects a chunk worse
> than scl's.
>
> Has anybody had much luck with wavefront spectacles? It seems
> possible to do a wavefront scan OVER the sclerals, then Rx from there.
>
> PRE-scleral wavefront showed 3.2% HOA (RMS error: 0.32 OU)
>
> Any thoughts??
>
> Thanks again!
> Neil

Sorry.

Little foggy this morning.

That seems to add up to THREE pairs of glasses ;-)

On Mar 14, 11:22 am, Robert Martellaro <rob...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:35:46 +0100, Jan <nos...@nospam.nl> wrote:
> >Neil look at the Adidas website.
>
> They're made by Silhouette. My experience has been they're slightly lower
> quality then the regular Silhouette line, although they make some nice looking
> sports/sunglasses, and the inserts are great for strong Rxs.
>
> NASA seems to like the Silhouettes...
>
> http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinoff2002/ch_2.html

Seems like all roads lead to Silhouettes.

I fired off a customer service e-mail to Ye Olde -- aw, screw it --
Lenscrafters -- telling them that I was disappointed that their
manager told me that my lens could NOT BE MADE--rather than telling me
that Lenscrafters simply couldn't do it.

I'll likely avail myself of their (only reason to go there) 30-day
guarantee, then find a better local optician who carries the
Silhouette line.

[comment about recent damage to NASA's credibility done by one whacked-
out astronaut intentionally omitted].

Thanks again, Robert.

On Mar 15, 8:12 am, Robert Martellaro <rob...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 14 Mar 2007 13:55:20 -0700, "Neil Brooks" <neil0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >[comment about recent damage to NASA's credibility done by one whacked-
> >out astronaut intentionally omitted].
>
> They've taken "cat fight" to new heights.

The best I heard was (forgive me) that the whole affair was a real
boon to some elderly people who formerly believed that incontinence
would keep them OUT of the space program ;-)

Glasses update:

Visited New Optometrist's office (good, bright, geeky guy. My
favorite kind....).

I'm starting out with two pairs of glasses. We'll take it from there:

1) Silhouettes w/iZon PAL lenses (are you hearing the sound of cash
registers, Robert? I know I am....)

2) My Oakley frames will be given new, grey, Rx lenses w/back-surface
AR and polarization.

I'm ... uh ... going to avail myself of the Lenscrafters guarantee.

Thanks again for your help. The Silhouettes do, indeed, look cool
(actually, I can't even see them ;-)). Hope the iZons are actually of
some benefit. A tad skeptical, but .... that's just me.