Is this eye movement "esophoric"?

Dear Absolutely Bates,

Subject: Does reading "strain" induce a negative
refractive STATE -- or not?

Is this the type of problem that Bates described.

Could this be resolved by Central-fixation methods
of Bates?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6983176.stm

Would you recommend that these "readers" take
10 minute breaks and do some palming?

Would doing this help these readers avoid
entry into myopia?

Best,

OTis

The best cure for you Otis is to take a flying leap off your
"staircase".

On Sep 10, 10:19 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:

>
> Subject: Does reading "strain" induce a negative
> refractive STATE -- or not?

I'm not sure what you mean by a negative refractive state, but I
assume you mean myopia. According to Bates, reading induces
hypermetropia or hypermetropic astigmatism.

Hi Otis,

I do not know what you mean by 'reading strain', but strain is strain
and it is just means when the mind is under an influence of something
bad. Okay I don't know how to discribe the word of 'strain' it is a
complicated thing but if my English was better than I would use lots
of figurative words to discribe it anyway what I am saying is that no
you are not right actually if you mean strain at the nearpoint well
Bates found that strain at the nearpoint actually caused hypermetropia
to be produced in the emmetropic eye when he used simultaneous
retinoscopy this is a very good method to measure the eye okay but it
is a very high level skill and very hard to learn only the really
clever ophthalmologists who have very precise hand movements and are
ambidextrous, only those people are able to do it so it is not a skill
which is very easy to learn but the more you use it the better you get
my cousin showed me how you do it it's really hard I forgot now but
the next time he comes to my house he said is he going to show me how.

>Is this the type of problem that Bates described.

No Bates described the opposite I mean that basically what he found is
that if people strain to see at the near point then actually it
doesn't cause myopia it causes hypermetropia yes Dr.Leukoma is right
on this.

Anyhow I don't sure what you mean by 'negative refractive state' but
if you mean that the eye goes into a refractive state which is minus
numbers then you are correct yes that is what happens. Of course let's
say if the eye is at '-025' then the correction needed would be '+025'
do you know what I mean because if the eye is negative then it needs
postive correction so your terminology is a bit confusing here please
can you just clear it up because I don't understand exactly what you
mean.

>Could this be resolved by Central-fixation methods

Yes certainly it really really would I know it would because central
fixation cures all the bad eyesight problems that ever exists in the
whole wide world it's really easy central fixation just means seeing
one very teeny tiny small part best and the rest of the periphery
worser and worser the more outside the small centre you get it's easy
to understand and it makes sense that the eye can only see small parts
at a time and that its hard to see big parts at a time with strain
because well if you try and see a big part at a time then you are
doing something which the eye wasn't designed for so that's why it
makes you eyes go bad and all these problems come but if you learn how
to get back to the state of central fixation which is the natural
state of the eyes then you will be able to know how to cure all eye
dieseases which ever exists.

>Would you recommend that these "readers" take
>10 minute breaks and do some palming?

Um yes that will be really good if the readers make a good practice of
that okay they don't need to do it for 10 whole minutes okay that is
quite a long time actually I think just 2 minutes will be enough of a
good break. Anyhow the thing is the readers have to find which method
induces the most efficient way of getting to mind rest so if palming
doesn't work for them what that means is then they have to try other
methods like shifting or blinking or swinging or sun treatment do you
know what I mean. The thing is palming only works for a small number
of people (for those people who it does work well they are really
lucky because they are really easy to cure) and that means that for
the rest of the people the best thing to do is try all the other
methods. Where palming does not work for some people swinging will
work, and where swinging is ineffectie for some peoples then they
should try sun treatment well do you understand what I am trying to
say anyhow I hope you do.

>Would doing this help these readers avoid
>entry into myopia?

Yes yes it really really will it will prevent all eye disorder if it
is done dillegently and the advice of Bates is taken properly the
thing is the goal is mind rest and not eyesight improving or
preventing the eyesight from getting bad, the better eyesight will
come as the end result of course but you have to move towards a mind
at rest and by that way you will also improve your eyesight. It is
like a domino thing if you know what I mean. And it is not just myopia
which will be avoid actually all the eye disorders like presbyopia
hyperopia astigmatism these are all functional disorders and can be
easily avoided. It is so easy I can't believe it is such a big problem
in the world but then agian there you go its a strange world we do
live in after all isnt it!

But the very very big thing which you have to understand here is that
reading itself or too much computer use etc etc, none of these things
CAUSE myopia, it just serves as an unfavourable condition for people
who are susceptible to imperfect sight because they are more prone to
mind strain. Some people are more susceptible than other peoples, okay
I admit I don't know why this is but it is a fact and a truth that is
hard to explain so far but I am sure one day we will find out.

What causes myopia is the mind strain and that is all, so you can
basically read for as long as you like all day long stick you nose in
a book, no problems will come about you just need to learn to relax in
these unfavourable conditions. It is so simple just easy peasy lemon
squeezy! I mean take a look at all those people who are like on the
computer like all day long and those people who read all day long
there are loads of people like this who still have perfect eyesight,
so you can see that it is not reading or excessive use itself which
causes the myopia, there is just a correlation between the two things
in some parts of the population. Of course correlation doesn't equate
to causation as we all should know as this is a science forum okay do
you know what I mean.

Anyhow wow this is a long post I am tired of typing lol.

Hi,

>The best cure for you Otis is to take a flying leap off your
>"staircase".

That is really bad because if he jumped of the staircase he might
broke some legs or some bones and you are very bad for saying that you
should say sorry because that is not even a tiny bit nice not even a
bit.

On Sep 11, 7:56 am, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I do not know what you mean by 'reading strain', but strain is strain
> and it is just means when the mind is under an influence of something
> bad. Okay I don't know how to discribe the word of 'strain' it is a
> complicated thing but if my English was better than I would use lots
> of figurative words to discribe it anyway what I am saying is that no
> you are not right actually if you mean strain at the nearpoint well
> Bates found that strain at the nearpoint actually caused hypermetropia
> to be produced in the emmetropic eye when he used simultaneous
> retinoscopy this is a very good method to measure the eye okay but it
> is a very high level skill and very hard to learn only the really
> clever ophthalmologists who have very precise hand movements and are
> ambidextrous, only those people are able to do it so it is not a skill
> which is very easy to learn but the more you use it the better you get
> my cousin showed me how you do it it's really hard I forgot now but
> the next time he comes to my house he said is he going to show me how.

Bates evidently did not understand the lag of accommodation.

Hi,

What is it, please?

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On Sep 11, 5:56 am, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[several GB of drivel mercifully snipped]

> Anyhow wow this is a long post I am tired of typing lol.

Not a fraction as tired as we are of reading your posts.....

Please seek to have multicenter, randomized, controlled clinical
trials evaluate the Bates method, and then come back (or not).

On Sep 11, 6:13 am, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> What is it, please?

www.google.com

On Sep 10, 11:19 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Dear Absolutely Bates,
>
> Subject: Does reading "strain" induce a negative
> refractive STATE -- or not?
>
> Is this the type of problem that Bates described.
>
> Could this be resolved by Central-fixation methods
> of Bates?
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6983176.stm
>
> Would you recommend that these "readers" take
> 10 minute breaks and do some palming?
>
> Would doing this help these readers avoid
> entry into myopia?
>
> Best,
>
> OTis

Did you link to the wrong article? The one in the link you provided
describes normal saccadic fixations during reading; I could not see a
"problem" in the article so its hard to answer whether it is the
problem Bates described.

As to how to "help these readers avoid entry into myopia" I'm not sure
what you mean. The study subjects were of a cross section of normals
in Britain, if we assume they are caucasian then about 20% will be or
become myopic and 80% won't; are you suggesting that 100% of them do
palming in the hope that fewer than 20% will become myopic?

Dr Judy