procedures for student using laser pointer in class without authorization?

What procedures should a school follow if an unidentified student
in a classroom disruptively and dangerously uses a laser pointer
during a class without authorization from the teacher?

TIA...

Mike Tyner wrote:
>
> "z" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>
> > What procedures should a school follow if an unidentified student
> > in a classroom disruptively and dangerously uses a laser pointer
> > during a class without authorization from the teacher?
>
> Before calling it "dangerous," they should inquire about the number of eye
> injuries caused by consumer-grade milliwatt laser pointers.
>
> When they find it to be near zero, hopefully they will crank down the
> rhetoric a little. Be glad it wasn't a Smith and Wesson.

Whew, I was about to recommend the death penalty...

I'd worry more if the rest of the students jumped from their chairs and
started to chase the spot around the floor.

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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:58:00 GMT z wrote:

> What procedures should a school follow if an unidentified student
> in a classroom disruptively and dangerously uses a laser pointer
> during a class without authorization from the teacher?
>
> TIA...
>

If you had read the replies to the same post a while back, probably your
own, you'd not have to ask this again.
How dangerous is a laser guide point as used on a rifle or handgun?
How disruptive can it be?
I'd say it's about as dangerous as a mouse running loose.
Or using a flashlight.

"Richard" <Anonymous@127.001> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:58:00 GMT z wrote:
>
> > What procedures should a school follow if an unidentified student
> > in a classroom disruptively and dangerously uses a laser pointer
> > during a class without authorization from the teacher?
> >
> > TIA...
> >
>
> If you had read the replies to the same post a while back, probably your
> own, you'd not have to ask this again.

Wrong.

The issue is both safety and liability.

You can ignore the safety if that's your belief; you can't ignore
the liability.

Also, if school administration bans the laser but does not provide
teachers with procedures for implementing the ban, it is
in the category of unenforceable rules, and unenforceable rules
invite disruption in the classroom.

If you thought about it for a moment, you would not be so smart
@ssed in your response.

> The issue is both safety and liability.
>
> You can ignore the safety if that's your belief; you can't ignore
> the liability.

As you have been informed, the safety issue is nil. You decide outside of
this forum what level of punishment if any is appropriate.

Dear Friend,
Subject: Milli-watt pointers

These lazers are subject to product liability.

If the "pointer" produced severe risk for the eye -- they
simply would not be sold.

The lawsuits would be huge.

The pointer-lazer (diode) is save under that consideration.

High-power lazers (commercial) can in fact burn holes
in you retina. I depends on the power delivered on
the retina.

Best,

Otis
Engineer


z wrote:
> "Richard" <Anonymous@127.001> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:58:00 GMT z wrote:
> >
> > > What procedures should a school follow if an unidentified student
> > > in a classroom disruptively and dangerously uses a laser pointer
> > > during a class without authorization from the teacher?
> > >
> > > TIA...
> > >
> >
> > If you had read the replies to the same post a while back, probably
your
> > own, you'd not have to ask this again.
>
> Wrong.
>
> The issue is both safety and liability.
>
> You can ignore the safety if that's your belief; you can't ignore
> the liability.
>
> Also, if school administration bans the laser but does not provide
> teachers with procedures for implementing the ban, it is
> in the category of unenforceable rules, and unenforceable rules
> invite disruption in the classroom.
>
> If you thought about it for a moment, you would not be so smart
> @ssed in your response.

Hmm. there seems to be some warning about these things.

Laser Pointer Safety
http://www.laserinstitute.org/public...laser_pointer/
http://www.laserinstitute.org/public...egulations.pdf

I guess someone could prove once and for all these things are as
"harmless" as some people make them out to be - and maybe
volunteer to have one of these pointers shined into one of their
eyes for a prolong period of time.

Martin

"(E-Mail Removed)" wrote:
>
> Dear Friend,
> Subject: Milli-watt pointers
>
> These lazers are subject to product liability.
>
> If the "pointer" produced severe risk for the eye -- they
> simply would not be sold.
>
> The lawsuits would be huge.
>
> The pointer-lazer (diode) is save under that consideration.
>
> High-power lazers (commercial) can in fact burn holes
> in you retina. I depends on the power delivered on
> the retina.
>
> Best,
>
> Otis
> Engineer
>
> z wrote:
> > "Richard" <Anonymous@127.001> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:58:00 GMT z wrote:
> > >
> > > > What procedures should a school follow if an unidentified student
> > > > in a classroom disruptively and dangerously uses a laser pointer
> > > > during a class without authorization from the teacher?
> > > >
> > > > TIA...
> > > >
> > >
> > > If you had read the replies to the same post a while back, probably
> your
> > > own, you'd not have to ask this again.
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > The issue is both safety and liability.
> >
> > You can ignore the safety if that's your belief; you can't ignore
> > the liability.
> >
> > Also, if school administration bans the laser but does not provide
> > teachers with procedures for implementing the ban, it is
> > in the category of unenforceable rules, and unenforceable rules
> > invite disruption in the classroom.
> >
> > If you thought about it for a moment, you would not be so smart
> > @ssed in your response.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
Rowley <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Hmm. there seems to be some warning about these things.
>
> Laser Pointer Safety
> http://www.laserinstitute.org/public...laser_pointer/
> http://www.laserinstitute.org/public...regulation/Gov
> t_Regulations.pdf
>
> I guess someone could prove once and for all these things are as
> "harmless" as some people make them out to be - and maybe
> volunteer to have one of these pointers shined into one of their
> eyes for a prolong period of time.

Isn't that like shoving a pencil into a kids eye, then claiming it
proves that pencils are too dangerous for the public to use?

... Erich

Erich wrote:
>
> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
> Rowley <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> > Hmm. there seems to be some warning about these things.
> >
> > Laser Pointer Safety
> > http://www.laserinstitute.org/public...laser_pointer/
> > http://www.laserinstitute.org/public...regulation/Gov
> > t_Regulations.pdf
> >
> > I guess someone could prove once and for all these things are as
> > "harmless" as some people make them out to be - and maybe
> > volunteer to have one of these pointers shined into one of their
> > eyes for a prolong period of time.
>
> Isn't that like shoving a pencil into a kids eye, then claiming it
> proves that pencils are too dangerous for the public to use?
>
> ... Erich


I think the debate revolves around the word "use" - using a LP
to point out some element of of an image projected during a
powerpoint show isn't going to hurt anyone - same as someone
using a sharpen pencil to write down notes about the what is
being presented. Both activities are what each of the products
were designed for. However, the problem is the "use" of these
products outside the scope of what they were intended for.
Pencils are dangerous when used as a weapon. Diesel fuel is a
very handy thing to use for powering the diesel engines used to
run school buses - fertilizer works great at making the grass on
the football field grow better, but if these two products were
to be used inappropriately - well.. the FBI is most likely going
to want to talk with you about that.

Martin

Nobody is going to "stare" into a laser unless they were absolutely
forced to do so with they eyelid held open with a speculum. The
natural reaction would be to immediately avert the gaze from the light
source. Even white light can be toxic to the retinal photoreceptors if
sufficiently bright and prolonged. It's a time and intensity function.

The issue of low power diode laser pointers is one of public perception
and the subsequent reaction (or more precisely, over-reaction) of the
parents of other children in the classroom who would subsequently
descend upon the school administrators like a swarm of mad hornets.

DrG