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Andrew Chew
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      02-06-2005, 02:22 PM
Is there an easy way to tell between pseudomyopia and true myopia?
Could someone suffering from pseudomyopia develop true myopia upon wearing
lenses?


 
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Andrew Chew
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      02-06-2005, 04:12 PM

"Mike Tyner" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Andrew Chew" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
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>> Is there an easy way to tell between pseudomyopia and true myopia?

>
> The "gold standard" test uses cycloplegic drops to paralyze the focusing
> muscles temporarily. Cyclopentolate or homatropine eliminate the effect of
> accommodation. Pseudomyopia is habitual accommodation.
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>> Could someone suffering from pseudomyopia develop true myopia upon
>> wearing lenses?

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> Otis is convinced that it happens, but he's relying on his own intuition.
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> Farsighted people accommodate all the time, out of necessity. It doesn't
> make them nearsighted.


Mostly likely people whose myopia resolves eventually were pseudomyopics
anyway. It's too bad that there isn't an easier way to test the condition.
It seems to me everyone should be tested for pseudomyopia before being
prescribed glasses.


 
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      02-06-2005, 05:04 PM
A careful dry refraction with frequent "plus to blur" steps can sometimes
reveal a pseudomyope. Sometimes you can also "see" them during retinoscopy
but they won't accept less minus when you do the subjective refraction.

Regardless, even if you did recognize them as an "habitual accommodator"
their problem is that they can't see clearly in the distance. Realization
of the problem, or stern language, won't make them stop accommodating. The
standard of care is to prescribe them only as much minus power as they need
to do their distance tasks (driving, reading the board in school, etc.) and
educating them not to wear their glasses any more than they need to.
Glasses and/or contacts are a hassle but they don't hurt anybody. As you
say, their myopia will resolve eventually anyway.

Regards

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>> "Andrew Chew" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
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>>> Is there an easy way to tell between pseudomyopia and true myopia?

>>
>> The "gold standard" test uses cycloplegic drops to paralyze the focusing
>> muscles temporarily. Cyclopentolate or homatropine eliminate the effect
>> of accommodation. Pseudomyopia is habitual accommodation.
>>
>>> Could someone suffering from pseudomyopia develop true myopia upon
>>> wearing lenses?

>>
>> Otis is convinced that it happens, but he's relying on his own intuition.
>>
>> Farsighted people accommodate all the time, out of necessity. It doesn't
>> make them nearsighted.

>
> Mostly likely people whose myopia resolves eventually were pseudomyopics
> anyway. It's too bad that there isn't an easier way to test the condition.
> It seems to me everyone should be tested for pseudomyopia before being
> prescribed glasses.
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      02-06-2005, 06:34 PM
Dear Andrew,

Providing we respect the fact that the
natural eye is "dyanamic", then
the answer is yes to both of your
questions. This includes the
MDs and ODs who acknowledge
the true scientific facts concerning
the natural eye's behavior.

The answer from the ODs who
do not respect the natural eye
as "dyanamic" is NO to
both of your questions.

Best,

Otis
Engineer

 
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Rishi Giovanni Gatti
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      02-06-2005, 06:41 PM
"Andrew Chew" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
> Is there an easy way to tell between pseudomyopia and true myopia?
> Could someone suffering from pseudomyopia develop true myopia upon wearing
> lenses?


The answers you will get by the so-called learned men here are all
wrong.

You just do your own experiment following some rest treatment for a
couple of days without the use of any kind of glasses.

You will discover quickly that the problem of pseudomyopia is simply
FALSE.
 
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      02-06-2005, 07:07 PM

> The answer from the ODs who
> do not respect the natural eye
> as "dyanamic" is NO to
> both of your questions.


No OD has ever said this Otis. Only you say this. Another example of your
misquoting and lying. And so:

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This posting is an automatic reply to any sci.med.vision newsgroup thread
that is receiving comments from a person named "Otis", "Otis Brown",
"(E-Mail Removed)" or "Otis, Engineer".

Otis is not an expert in any field of vision. His medical and eyecare
training is nil. He is a proponent of a myopia prevention technique that is
unproven.

In addition, Otis continually misquotes people in his posts. He drops the
names of doctors whom he falsely claims to be associated with. He has been
caught in out-and-out lies. He has given people incorrect medical advise.
Sadly, his behavior suggests he may have psychological problems that compel
him to argue against people just for the sake of causing an argument.

Otis is what is known in internet newsgroup lingo as a "troll". Do not
reply to his postings-- it just takes up bandwidth and storage space that
should be reserved for meaningful topics. It also just fulfils his sick
psychological needs.

No one means to suppress the honest opinions of others. This message is
only meant to forewarn anyone who might misconstrue Otis as a trained
eyecare expert.

For anyone who is interested in understanding the current state of
scientific/medical research on myopia prevention, I offer the following
link: http://annals.edu.sg/pdf200401/V33N1p4.pdf. If you have other topics
you wish to discuss, there are experts here who will usually help you.
Don't waste your time with Otis.

Please see the weekly posting "welcome to sci.med.vision" which usually
appears on Mondays, for information on how to filter out Otis' posts so that
you may be able to participate in worthwhile discussions in this forum.


 
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      02-07-2005, 02:02 AM
Dear Andrew,

There is no easy way to separate "true myopia" from pseudo myopia. But
I would suggest the following. If you enter high school with 20/20,
and after two years you are reading the eye chart at 20/40 -- there is
a good possibility that you have "pseudo-myopia.

"Could someone suffering from pseudomyopia develop true myopia upon
wearing
lenses? "'

This has been the "Bates" concept for the last 80 years. The $64,000
question is this -- can you clear bact to 20/20, if you just got into
it?

The standard statement "majority opinion" is that it "can't be done".
The minority opinion (do your research) that it is possible to clear
back to 20/20 (if you previously had 20/20).

The rest you must figure out for yourself.

Best,

Otis
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      02-07-2005, 03:12 AM
On 6 Feb 2005 18:02:29 -0800, http://www.optometryforums.com/(E-Mail Removed) wrote:

> The standard statement "majority opinion" is that it "can't be done".
> The minority opinion (do your research) that it is possible to clear
> back to 20/20 (if you previously had 20/20).


Help me Otis as I tried doing my research. I cannot find ANYTHING OUTSIDE
YOUR WEBSITE and some quacky myopiachina whatever website you claim.

Please provide OBJECTIVE medical websites that support your position. I
bet you can't as you make up stuff as you go along.

I have asked this in the past, and I bet you can't provide it now.

I will forward this message on to my imaginary friends so they can enjoy
your point of view.

Best,

Allen
Pilot

cc
Dr Quack
Dr Rubby Ducky
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      02-07-2005, 05:37 AM
The statement was for Andrew -- who
can probably figure out some of these
issues -- because you obviously can not.

Best,

Otis

 
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      02-07-2005, 05:45 AM
What we can all figure out Otis, it that once again someone is asking you to
prove your claims. But you cannot!

That speaks volumes about the validity of what you say, as well as its
"scientific" nature. You don't understand a thing about science.

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