Smoking pot after LASIK

I know, strange concern. I got LASIK eye surgery about a month ago
(I'm absolutely thrilled with the early results btw). You're
supposedly still healing from LASIK for a few months after treatment.
My eyes have been doing great since the procedure. I've been taking
very good care of my eyes. Until last night.

Last night at a party I took one teensy-weensy little tiny hit of pot,
which of course makes my eyes really dry, on top of the existing
post-LASIK dryness.

Aside from the temporary increase in dryness, can the one hit of pot
permanently alter the way my eyes heal? Can it affect the final
results in terms of vision power and eye health?

Are my eyes going to fall out?

(by the way, my marijuana use is extremely low. I rarely smoke pot. I
KNOW it was incredibly stupid to do it last night, so please be gentle
and dont lecture me).

Maybe I am over-reacting?

Rodger The Remorseful

You already know the lecture, so just replay it to yourself.

No, your eyes won't fall out. Although some studies have shown that
marijuana use may lower intraocular pressure, it takes quite a bit for
quite a long time to do even that, and the intraocular pressure
returns to normally quickly anyway.

You probably didn't do much more damage than being in a smoky
environment would do and the dry eyes that you have already mentioned.
Use preservative-free artificial tears, go forth, and sin no more.

8^)



Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

I bet Hanson thinks doing heroin is good for something too.

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:31:23 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>You already know the lecture, so just replay it to yourself.
>
>No, your eyes won't fall out. Although some studies have shown that
>marijuana use may lower intraocular pressure, it takes quite a bit for
>quite a long time to do even that, and the intraocular pressure
>returns to normally quickly anyway.
>
>You probably didn't do much more damage than being in a smoky
>environment would do and the dry eyes that you have already mentioned.
>Use preservative-free artificial tears, go forth, and sin no more.
>
>8^)
>
>
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.

Francine <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<BCF27CF2.3F03%(E-Mail Removed)>...
> > Although some studies have shown that
> > marijuana use may lower intraocular pressure, it takes quite a bit for
> > quite a long time to do even that, and the intraocular pressure
> > returns to normally quickly anyway.
>
> I don't think it works for everyone, anyway. I happen to know a guy who is a
> lifelong really HUGE marijuana smoker. Nonetheless, he developed glaucoma
> about a year ago. Who knows if he wouldn't have developed it sooner if he
> hadn't been such a big pothead...? No one can say for certain.
>
> Fran

Hi Fran,
Did your friend end up with mental health problems? My husband deals
with drug addicts on a day to day basis as a policeman and one of the
major things that he has noticed is the amount of pot users that
become schizophrenics. Pot is not the "soft" drug that people think it
is. I thought "all" types of smoking is bad for the blood vessels in
the eyes. Dr G????
Regards,
Linda
>
> ..........
>
>
> in article (E-Mail Removed), Glenn - USAEyes.org
> at (E-Mail Removed) wrote on 6/13/04 8:31 PM:
>
> > You already know the lecture, so just replay it to yourself.
> >
> > No, your eyes won't fall out. Although some studies have shown that
> > marijuana use may lower intraocular pressure, it takes quite a bit for
> > quite a long time to do even that, and the intraocular pressure
> > returns to normally quickly anyway.
> >
> > You probably didn't do much more damage than being in a smoky
> > environment would do and the dry eyes that you have already mentioned.
> > Use preservative-free artificial tears, go forth, and sin no more.
> >
> > 8^)
> >
> >
> >
> > Glenn Hagele
> > Executive Director
> > Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
> >
> > Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
> >
> > http://www.USAEyes.org
> > http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
> >
> > I am not a doctor.

(E-Mail Removed) (Linda) wrote in
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> My husband deals
> with drug addicts on a day to day basis as a policeman and one of the
> major things that he has noticed is the amount of pot users that
> become schizophrenics.

Is he sure its not that many schizophrenics tend to use drugs, but the
diagnosis comes late?

Scott

Scott Seidman <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<Xns9509C10BDAC32scottseidmanmindspri@130.133 .1.4>...
> (E-Mail Removed) (Linda) wrote in
> news:(E-Mail Removed) om:
>
> > My husband deals
> > with drug addicts on a day to day basis as a policeman and one of the
> > major things that he has noticed is the amount of pot users that
> > become schizophrenics.
>
> Is he sure its not that many schizophrenics tend to use drugs, but the
> diagnosis comes late?
>
> Scott

Hear hear - I hate people making these nonsensical deductions

What about the hundreds of thousands of pot smokers your policeman
husband doesn't bump into? It's wrong to assume that it turned them
schizo without proof - chances are these people were that way
beforehand and the pot's their way of dealing with it. They could
always turn to alcohol and get violent instead

I smoke and it didn't seem to cause any trouble other than the usual
dry eyes effect.

Iain

(E-Mail Removed) (Frostypaw) wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed). com>...
> Scott Seidman <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<Xns9509C10BDAC32scottseidmanmindspri@130.133 .1.4>...
> > (E-Mail Removed) (Linda) wrote in
> > news:(E-Mail Removed) om:
> >
> > > My husband deals
> > > with drug addicts on a day to day basis as a policeman and one of the
> > > major things that he has noticed is the amount of pot users that
> > > become schizophrenics.
> >
> > Is he sure its not that many schizophrenics tend to use drugs, but the
> > diagnosis comes late?
> >
> > Scott
>
> Hear hear - I hate people making these nonsensical deductions
>
> What about the hundreds of thousands of pot smokers your policeman
> husband doesn't bump into? It's wrong to assume that it turned them
> schizo without proof - chances are these people were that way
> beforehand and the pot's their way of dealing with it. They could
> always turn to alcohol and get violent instead
>
> I smoke and it didn't seem to cause any trouble other than the usual
> dry eyes effect.
>
> Iain

Hi Iain,
I also have brothers who are doctors. The link between marijuana and
schizophrenia has been proven over and over again. I can understand
why people would not like to believe this, but it's true.
Linda

In article <(E-Mail Removed) >,
(E-Mail Removed) (Linda) wrote:

> (E-Mail Removed) (Frostypaw) wrote in message
news:<(E-Mail Removed). com>...


> > What about the hundreds of thousands of pot smokers your policeman
> > husband doesn't bump into? It's wrong to assume that it turned them
> > schizo without proof - chances are these people were that way
> > beforehand and the pot's their way of dealing with it. They could
> > always turn to alcohol and get violent instead
> >
> > I smoke and it didn't seem to cause any trouble other than the usual
> > dry eyes effect.
> >
> > Iain
>
> Hi Iain,
> I also have brothers who are doctors. The link between marijuana and
> schizophrenia has been proven over and over again. I can understand
> why people would not like to believe this, but it's true.
> Linda


Is it just the link that has been proven, or has the cause and effect been
proven also?

Many smokers acknowledge that smoking and lung cancer are linked, but
refuse to believe that smoking is a cause of lung cancer, because it
hasn't been proven. It would be easy to disprove the theory that lung
cancer causes smoking, because people always start smoking first, and then
get lung cancer. Also, lung cancer is pretty clearly the cause of a
death, because you can cut up the body and actually see that the lung
cancer caused the death. Schizophrenia is less clear, because we can't
tell how it works.

There's a lot of weird stuff around about drugs, because people are
looking for reasons why other people shouldn't use drugs, and so they make
up stuff that sounds plausible. One claim is that marijuana use causes
people to progress to heroin. Of course, the same argument can be used to
prove that milk drinking causes heroin use, since all heroin users started
by drinking milk.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS
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(E-Mail Removed) (Linda) wrote in
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> (E-Mail Removed) (Frostypaw) wrote in message
> news:<(E-Mail Removed). com>...
>> Scott Seidman <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:<Xns9509C10BDAC32scottseidmanmindspri@130.133 .1.4>...
>> > (E-Mail Removed) (Linda) wrote in
>> > news:(E-Mail Removed) om:
>> >
>> > > My husband deals
>> > > with drug addicts on a day to day basis as a policeman and one of
>> > > the major things that he has noticed is the amount of pot users
>> > > that become schizophrenics.
>> >
>> > Is he sure its not that many schizophrenics tend to use drugs, but
>> > the diagnosis comes late?
>> >
>> > Scott
>>
>> Hear hear - I hate people making these nonsensical deductions
>>
>> What about the hundreds of thousands of pot smokers your policeman
>> husband doesn't bump into? It's wrong to assume that it turned them
>> schizo without proof - chances are these people were that way
>> beforehand and the pot's their way of dealing with it. They could
>> always turn to alcohol and get violent instead
>>
>> I smoke and it didn't seem to cause any trouble other than the usual
>> dry eyes effect.
>>
>> Iain
>
> Hi Iain,
> I also have brothers who are doctors. The link between marijuana and
> schizophrenia has been proven over and over again. I can understand
> why people would not like to believe this, but it's true.
> Linda

Linda,

I'm not a proponent of marijuana use or a marijuana user, but a
scientist. I've been looking over the abstracts of review articles in
response to your assertion. Just about every abstract starts with
"Controversy remains as to whether cannabis acts as a causal risk factor
for schizophrenia...."

This would seem to indicate that the link isn't perfectly clear. It
seems that the link is there, but it certainly hasn't been "proven over
and over again".

It would seem as if the matter were scientifically up in the air as
recently as 2004, when in response to an article in "Addiction" a Public
Health Official in Australia responded
"Sir—The research reviewed by Smit, Bolier & Cuijpers
(2004) has substantially reduced our uncertainty about
the relationship between cannabis use and psychosis. "

Again, this would suggest that the issue was still up for grabs in 2004.
Some commentators to this cited article, while agreeing with the
conclusion that there is a link, still find problems with the
epidemiological techniqes.

Scott

I definately know it leads to other things...
Mainly junk food.

Cut

"Dan Abel" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:dabel-(E-Mail Removed)...
> In article <(E-Mail Removed) >,
> (E-Mail Removed) (Linda) wrote:
>
> > (E-Mail Removed) (Frostypaw) wrote in message
> news:<(E-Mail Removed). com>...
>
>
> > > What about the hundreds of thousands of pot smokers your policeman
> > > husband doesn't bump into? It's wrong to assume that it turned them
> > > schizo without proof - chances are these people were that way
> > > beforehand and the pot's their way of dealing with it. They could
> > > always turn to alcohol and get violent instead
> > >
> > > I smoke and it didn't seem to cause any trouble other than the usual
> > > dry eyes effect.
> > >
> > > Iain
> >
> > Hi Iain,
> > I also have brothers who are doctors. The link between marijuana and
> > schizophrenia has been proven over and over again. I can understand
> > why people would not like to believe this, but it's true.
> > Linda
>
>
> Is it just the link that has been proven, or has the cause and effect been
> proven also?
>
> Many smokers acknowledge that smoking and lung cancer are linked, but
> refuse to believe that smoking is a cause of lung cancer, because it
> hasn't been proven. It would be easy to disprove the theory that lung
> cancer causes smoking, because people always start smoking first, and then
> get lung cancer. Also, lung cancer is pretty clearly the cause of a
> death, because you can cut up the body and actually see that the lung
> cancer caused the death. Schizophrenia is less clear, because we can't
> tell how it works.
>
> There's a lot of weird stuff around about drugs, because people are
> looking for reasons why other people shouldn't use drugs, and so they make
> up stuff that sounds plausible. One claim is that marijuana use causes
> people to progress to heroin. Of course, the same argument can be used to
> prove that milk drinking causes heroin use, since all heroin users started
> by drinking milk.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Sonoma State University
> AIS
> (E-Mail Removed)