Stay away from "vision educators"

Today an Italian man who presented himself as a "vision educator"
phoned me about the Italian version of Perfect Sight Without Glasses
he wanted to buy.

I had to tell him that the book is sold out and is now in reprint and
will be ready for deliver in a couple of weeks.

Then I shared with him a good conversation.

Even if he is a "vision educator" he is not accustomed to the Original
Bates System. In fact, he not only does not understand how to benefit
from the sun-gazing, neither from the sun-glass, but he never tried
the experimenr of low light and microprint, I have learnt.

He promised me that he would have tried this soon.

He is a researcher and told me than most advanced theories about
vision are discovering the hidden powers of the external muscles of
the eye, and this is slowly being acknowledge in academic sites,
exactly in the same direction as Bates did. It seems that only the
idiots doctors here on sci.med.vision seem to not cope with this fact.

Nevertheless, he is not so much sure about his own understanding of
Bates work that felt the urge to try my edition of PSWG. Also to
subscribe to my magazine "il falco". He lives in the States, and has a
story of hypermetropia, which he thinks he can definitely cure after
he has spoken to me.

To one question, he answered that when he was at Columbia University
in New York he tried to reach some documents about Bates but became
aware that all was effaced out, he could not find anything about him.

I hope to work with him soon because he showed a kind of open mind
which is not there when I have something to do with idiots like
Cagnoli and Co., the mainstream "vision educators" in Italy. These
people have spoiled the name of Bates for their own purpose, that is
selling their courses and programs which have nothing to do with the
Original Bates System.

"Friends" of Bates are largely great frauds, great false men. They
understand nothing of Him. In fact, nobody gets a cure, and Bates
himself gets mocked at by other idiots like the ignorant men we find
here.

--
"As surely as any soldier ever died on the field, Dr. Bates gave his
life for a cause, battling against fate, during many years of
magnificent struggle, when the unending disappointment finally broke
in hopeless despair. His torch is still burning. There will come some
other battler, who is fit, and will hold it high until the people who
are sitting in darkness have seen its great light."
William B. MacCracken, M.D.
(1937, Berkeley CA)

Thank you Rishi. Like I have even said before, many people do not
truly understand what the Bates Method is. That is why I think it
would be best to get together and conduct some studies, then contact
researchers in various parts of the world, maybe in Europe, since they
seem more open-minded and more socialistic than the capitalists here
in the US.

Kory

Rishigg wrote:

> Today an Italian man who presented himself as a "vision educator"
> phoned me about the Italian version of Perfect Sight Without Glasses
> he wanted to buy.
>
> I had to tell him that the book is sold out and is now in reprint and
> will be ready for deliver in a couple of weeks.
>
> Then I shared with him a good conversation.
>
> Even if he is a "vision educator" he is not accustomed to the Original
> Bates System. In fact, he not only does not understand how to benefit
> from the sun-gazing, neither from the sun-glass, but he never tried
> the experimenr of low light and microprint, I have learnt.
>
> He promised me that he would have tried this soon.
>
> He is a researcher and told me than most advanced theories about
> vision are discovering the hidden powers of the external muscles of
> the eye, and this is slowly being acknowledge in academic sites,
> exactly in the same direction as Bates did. It seems that only the
> idiots doctors here on sci.med.vision seem to not cope with this fact.
>
> Nevertheless, he is not so much sure about his own understanding of
> Bates work that felt the urge to try my edition of PSWG. Also to
> subscribe to my magazine "il falco". He lives in the States, and has a
> story of hypermetropia, which he thinks he can definitely cure after
> he has spoken to me.
>
> To one question, he answered that when he was at Columbia University
> in New York he tried to reach some documents about Bates but became
> aware that all was effaced out, he could not find anything about him.
>
> I hope to work with him soon because he showed a kind of open mind
> which is not there when I have something to do with idiots like
> Cagnoli and Co., the mainstream "vision educators" in Italy. These
> people have spoiled the name of Bates for their own purpose, that is
> selling their courses and programs which have nothing to do with the
> Original Bates System.
>
> "Friends" of Bates are largely great frauds, great false men. They
> understand nothing of Him. In fact, nobody gets a cure, and Bates
> himself gets mocked at by other idiots like the ignorant men we find
> here.
>
> --
> "As surely as any soldier ever died on the field, Dr. Bates gave his
> life for a cause, battling against fate, during many years of
> magnificent struggle, when the unending disappointment finally broke
> in hopeless despair. His torch is still burning. There will come some
> other battler, who is fit, and will hold it high until the people who
> are sitting in darkness have seen its great light."
> William B. MacCracken, M.D.
> (1937, Berkeley CA)

On 30 Mar, 12:58, Kory Postma <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you Rishi. Like I have even said before, many people do not
> truly understand what the Bates Method is. That is why I think it
> would be best to get together and conduct some studies, then contact
> researchers in various parts of the world, maybe in Europe, since they
> seem more open-minded and more socialistic than the capitalists here
> in the US.
>
> Kory
>
> Rishigg wrote:
> > Today an Italian man who presented himself as a "vision educator"
> > phoned me about the Italian version of Perfect Sight Without Glasses
> > he wanted to buy.
>
> > I had to tell him that the book is sold out and is now in reprint and
> > will be ready for deliver in a couple of weeks.
>
> > Then I shared with him a good conversation.
>
> > Even if he is a "vision educator" he is not accustomed to the Original
> > Bates System. In fact, he not only does not understand how to benefit
> > from the sun-gazing, neither from the sun-glass, but he never tried
> > the experimenr of low light and microprint, I have learnt.
>
> > He promised me that he would have tried this soon.
>
> > He is a researcher and told me than most advanced theories about
> > vision are discovering the hidden powers of the external muscles of
> > the eye, and this is slowly being acknowledge in academic sites,
> > exactly in the same direction as Bates did. It seems that only the
> > idiots doctors here on sci.med.vision seem to not cope with this fact.
>
> > Nevertheless, he is not so much sure about his own understanding of
> > Bates work that felt the urge to try my edition of PSWG. Also to
> > subscribe to my magazine "il falco". He lives in the States, and has a
> > story of hypermetropia, which he thinks he can definitely cure after
> > he has spoken to me.
>
> > To one question, he answered that when he was at Columbia University
> > in New York he tried to reach some documents about Bates but became
> > aware that all was effaced out, he could not find anything about him.
>
> > I hope to work with him soon because he showed a kind of open mind
> > which is not there when I have something to do with idiots like
> > Cagnoli and Co., the mainstream "vision educators" in Italy. These
> > people have spoiled the name of Bates for their own purpose, that is
> > selling their courses and programs which have nothing to do with the
> > Original Bates System.
>
> > "Friends" of Bates are largely great frauds, great false men. They
> > understand nothing of Him. In fact, nobody gets a cure, and Bates
> > himself gets mocked at by other idiots like the ignorant men we find
> > here.
>
> > --
> > "As surely as any soldier ever died on the field, Dr. Bates gave his
> > life for a cause, battling against fate, during many years of
> > magnificent struggle, when the unending disappointment finally broke
> > in hopeless despair. His torch is still burning. There will come some
> > other battler, who is fit, and will hold it high until the people who
> > are sitting in darkness have seen its great light."
> > William B. MacCracken, M.D.
> > (1937, Berkeley CA)

Now there's a thought. Make sure that you publish the results even if
negative.

DrG

On 30 Mar, 12:59, "Dr. Leukoma" <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On 30 Mar, 12:58, Kory Postma <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thank you Rishi. Like I have even said before, many people do not
> > truly understand what the Bates Method is. That is why I think it
> > would be best to get together and conduct some studies, then contact
> > researchers in various parts of the world, maybe in Europe, since they
> > seem more open-minded and more socialistic than the capitalists here
> > in the US.
>
> > Kory
>
> > Rishigg wrote:
> > > Today an Italian man who presented himself as a "vision educator"
> > > phoned me about the Italian version of Perfect Sight Without Glasses
> > > he wanted to buy.
>
> > > I had to tell him that the book is sold out and is now in reprint and
> > > will be ready for deliver in a couple of weeks.
>
> > > Then I shared with him a good conversation.
>
> > > Even if he is a "vision educator" he is not accustomed to the Original
> > > Bates System. In fact, he not only does not understand how to benefit
> > > from the sun-gazing, neither from the sun-glass, but he never tried
> > > the experimenr of low light and microprint, I have learnt.
>
> > > He promised me that he would have tried this soon.
>
> > > He is a researcher and told me than most advanced theories about
> > > vision are discovering the hidden powers of the external muscles of
> > > the eye, and this is slowly being acknowledge in academic sites,
> > > exactly in the same direction as Bates did. It seems that only the
> > > idiots doctors here on sci.med.vision seem to not cope with this fact.
>
> > > Nevertheless, he is not so much sure about his own understanding of
> > > Bates work that felt the urge to try my edition of PSWG. Also to
> > > subscribe to my magazine "il falco". He lives in the States, and has a
> > > story of hypermetropia, which he thinks he can definitely cure after
> > > he has spoken to me.
>
> > > To one question, he answered that when he was at Columbia University
> > > in New York he tried to reach some documents about Bates but became
> > > aware that all was effaced out, he could not find anything about him.
>
> > > I hope to work with him soon because he showed a kind of open mind
> > > which is not there when I have something to do with idiots like
> > > Cagnoli and Co., the mainstream "vision educators" in Italy. These
> > > people have spoiled the name of Bates for their own purpose, that is
> > > selling their courses and programs which have nothing to do with the
> > > Original Bates System.
>
> > > "Friends" of Bates are largely great frauds, great false men. They
> > > understand nothing of Him. In fact, nobody gets a cure, and Bates
> > > himself gets mocked at by other idiots like the ignorant men we find
> > > here.
>
> > > --
> > > "As surely as any soldier ever died on the field, Dr. Bates gave his
> > > life for a cause, battling against fate, during many years of
> > > magnificent struggle, when the unending disappointment finally broke
> > > in hopeless despair. His torch is still burning. There will come some
> > > other battler, who is fit, and will hold it high until the people who
> > > are sitting in darkness have seen its great light."
> > > William B. MacCracken, M.D.
> > > (1937, Berkeley CA)
>
> Now there's a thought. Make sure that you publish the results even if
> negative.
>
> DrG

Of course one should, but the thing is, would it get published either
way? That is the most daunting task.

Kory

Kory Postma <kor...@NOhotSPAMmail.com> wrote in message <news:
(E-Mail Removed)>...
> Thank you Rishi. Like I have even said before, many people do not
> truly understand what the Bates Method is.

Can you provide us with a statement as to what YOU think the Bates
Method is??

And please don't say "a program to eliminate glasses". If that's your
claim, then say "a program to eliminate glasses BY..........."

Maybe you can help all us uneducated docs "truly understand what the
Bates Method is"

nipidoc

On 30 Mar, 13:01, nipidoc <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Kory Postma <kor...@NOhotSPAMmail.com> wrote in message <news:
>
> 3cc2072c103683f24bd69a2dfacf9...@free.teranews.com >...
>
> > Thank you Rishi. Like I have even said before, many people do not
> > truly understand what the Bates Method is.
>
> Can you provide us with a statement as to what YOU think the Bates
> Method is??
>
> And please don't say "a program to eliminate glasses". If that's your
> claim, then say "a program to eliminate glasses BY..........."
>
> Maybe you can help all us uneducated docs "truly understand what the
> Bates Method is"
>
> nipidoc

I'm not Kory, but I will try to tell you how Bates explained it. He
never called it the Bates Method. He said that if he had to put a
name on it, it would have to be called Nature's Technique, because
that is all that it is. Use your eyes the way nature intended them to
be used, and you will obtain perfect sight.

On 30 Mar, 13:01, nipidoc <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Kory Postma <kor...@NOhotSPAMmail.com> wrote in message <news:
>
> 3cc2072c103683f24bd69a2dfacf9...@free.teranews.com >...
>
> > Thank you Rishi. Like I have even said before, many people do not
> > truly understand what the Bates Method is.
>
> Can you provide us with a statement as to what YOU think the Bates
> Method is??
>
> And please don't say "a program to eliminate glasses". If that's your
> claim, then say "a program to eliminate glasses BY..........."
>
> Maybe you can help all us uneducated docs "truly understand what the
> Bates Method is"
>
> nipidoc

The Bates Method is a term that was later coined for what Bates called
Nature's way of perfect vision. His main points were, the eye can
only see one part of an object best and in order to see the rest of it
your eyes must scan all around the object and you must be able to
remember what is being seen clearly and to retain this mental image.
He also said ne should blink as the normal eyes does because blinking
refreshes the eyes and it will also prevent staring, because the eyes
moves a little when you blink. He also taught people how to relax and
to calm their mind (this is the part that most people do not
understand), so that they may be able to remember things clearly and
will be able to see more clearly. Basically, it is his method of un-
teaching bad vision habits and replacing them with good vision
habits. Once someone has learned to relax, will not strain, can
centralize (see one part best), keep the eyes moving (learning
oppositional movement), blink often and be able to remember things
exactly as they are meant to be seen, then the vision will improve. I
may be forgetting something, but I hope I am not. All of this
information is in the 1920 book and in the medical journals and also
in the magazines that were published around that time.

Some things can be found at www.iblindness.org and others at various
parts of the net. It is all available for free because of the
copyright laws expiring and what not.

Kory

"Kory Postma" <kor...@NOhotSPAMmail.com> wrote

> oppositional movement), blink often and be able to remember things
> exactly as they are meant to be seen, then the vision will improve.

I missed something. What happens to make the vision improve?

Does this work for myopia, hyperopia, astigmatism, presbyopia?

-MT

On 30 Mar, 13:04, Mike Tyner <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Kory Postma" <kor...@NOhotSPAMmail.com> wrote
>
> > oppositional movement), blink often and be able to remember things
> > exactly as they are meant to be seen, then the vision will improve.
>
> I missed something. What happens to make the vision improve?
>
> Does this work for myopia, hyperopia, astigmatism, presbyopia?
>
> -MT

The fact that the person is unlearning bad habits and becoming more
relaxed and also having a clear mind and memory, that will improve the
sight. I may be a little wrong, but this is what I remember after
reading Bates.

Kory

On 30 Mar, 13:05, Kory Postma <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On 30 Mar, 13:04, Mike Tyner <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Kory Postma" <kor...@NOhotSPAMmail.com> wrote
>
> > > oppositional movement), blink often and be able to remember things
> > > exactly as they are meant to be seen, then the vision will improve.
>
> > I missed something. What happens to make the vision improve?
>
> > Does this work for myopia, hyperopia, astigmatism, presbyopia?
>
> > -MT
>
> The fact that the person is unlearning bad habits and becoming more
> relaxed and also having a clear mind and memory, that will improve the
> sight. I may be a little wrong, but this is what I remember after
> reading Bates.
>
> Kory

Clearing the mind, improving the memory, and relaxing are all noble
goals.

But when it comes to describing specifically how (or even whether) it
reduces myopia, presbyopia, or astigmatism, we can't find good
evidence other than enthusiastic anecdotes.

Bates said it "improves sight". Maybe in a new-age sort of fashion, it
does. But it doesn't reduce structural anomalies and it can't be
relied on as a cure for macular degeneration or glaucoma or cataract.
There MIGHT even be some measurable effects. But doctors have to
recommend what DOES work first, before they recommend what MIGHT work
A LITTLE for SOME.

-MT