They invented wavefront glasses and claim supervision!

http://www.ophthonix.com/index.asp


This topic has come up in other forums. Theres alot of skeptics
reguarding this revolunitory glasses. They said if it worked so well it
would be all over the country and youd see wavefront glasses offered as
an option at your local glasses shop. One of my friends told me its a
gimmic and waste of money. She said at least 5 of her friends tried
that and none of them were able to notice a difference. Some of them
had bad experiences with lasik and thought wavefront glasses would help
with their massive aberrations but it didnt.

I read that it doesnt work partially because your eyes are constantly
in motion so the wavefront glasses fails to align with your
aberrations. For it to work, the wavefront glasses would need a tracker
to track your eyes movement and rapidly move the thousands of tiny
mirrors or segments as your eyes move so it aligns with your
aberrations at all times. Such technology is at least 20 years away I
heard. Ive also heard of wavefront contacts but we have RGP which
already do that job. RGP isnt wavefront but what it does is provides a
rigid, smooth surface over your irregular, aberrated cornea and your
tears fill in some of the gaps. The result is 50-75% reduction in your
aberrations because they are being masked by the rigid contacts
themselves. One guy had severe ghosting and 20/30 after lasik and with
those RGP the ghosting was almost gone and he could now see 20/20.

I find the wavefront technology exciting and as the years go by, things
will keep advancing. Its amazing to imagine oneday almost everyone will
be corrected to 20/10 with wavefront glasses with very high quality of
vision too! Todays glasses cant correct your high order aberrations and
the only thing that can help is RGP contacts and occasionally wavefront
lasik for the highly aberrated.

Anyone have comments on the wavefront glasses linked? Do you know
anyone who tried it and did they see any improvement?

Ace,

What is the purpose of your postings?
You want to inform the people here, you are a Readers Digest adept?
Please read the answers provided to you instead of replacing the same issues
over and over again.
The following was placed here a few days ago, but as I mentioned before, you
ask a lot but never read carefully the feedback.

>> Perfect wavefront spectacles won't give 20/6 vision to just
>> anyone, only those blessed with the right anatomy.

>And if you ever can get such a pair of glasses, they have to glue them in
>an
>excact position on your face.
>Futhermore, you have to keep looking straight ahead.
>Meaning there are no ''wavefront'' glasses as there are no ''wavefront''
>contactlenses either.

Please remember this newsgroup is called ''sci.med.vision''
Most of the people here are certainly NOT interrested in what ''they'' say.


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In conclusion, I think that the "Otis therapy" should be destroyed

Jan (normally Dutch spoken)






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> http://www.ophthonix.com/index.asp
>
>
> This topic has come up in other forums. Theres alot of skeptics
> reguarding this revolunitory glasses. They said if it worked so well it
> would be all over the country and youd see wavefront glasses offered as
> an option at your local glasses shop. One of my friends told me its a
> gimmic and waste of money. She said at least 5 of her friends tried
> that and none of them were able to notice a difference. Some of them
> had bad experiences with lasik and thought wavefront glasses would help
> with their massive aberrations but it didnt.
>
> I read that it doesnt work partially because your eyes are constantly
> in motion so the wavefront glasses fails to align with your
> aberrations. For it to work, the wavefront glasses would need a tracker
> to track your eyes movement and rapidly move the thousands of tiny
> mirrors or segments as your eyes move so it aligns with your
> aberrations at all times. Such technology is at least 20 years away I
> heard. Ive also heard of wavefront contacts but we have RGP which
> already do that job. RGP isnt wavefront but what it does is provides a
> rigid, smooth surface over your irregular, aberrated cornea and your
> tears fill in some of the gaps. The result is 50-75% reduction in your
> aberrations because they are being masked by the rigid contacts
> themselves. One guy had severe ghosting and 20/30 after lasik and with
> those RGP the ghosting was almost gone and he could now see 20/20.
>
> I find the wavefront technology exciting and as the years go by, things
> will keep advancing. Its amazing to imagine oneday almost everyone will
> be corrected to 20/10 with wavefront glasses with very high quality of
> vision too! Todays glasses cant correct your high order aberrations and
> the only thing that can help is RGP contacts and occasionally wavefront
> lasik for the highly aberrated.
>
> Anyone have comments on the wavefront glasses linked? Do you know
> anyone who tried it and did they see any improvement?
>

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> http://www.ophthonix.com/index.asp
>
exciting and as the years go by, things
> will keep advancing. Its amazing to imagine oneday almost everyone will
> be corrected to 20/10 with wavefront glasses with very high quality of
> vision too! Todays glasses cant correct your high order aberrations and
> the only thing that can help is RGP contacts and occasionally wavefront
> lasik for the highly aberrated.
>
> Anyone have comments on the wavefront glasses linked? Do you know
> anyone who tried it and did they see any improvemente


I have Opthonix glasses. I had LASIK several years ago and as a
result I can't drive at night. So I tried the wavefront glasses. I
found that in bright sunlight they eliminate the halos that glint off
of chrome or car roofs. But after sundown they don't help much. Not
nearly as much as RGP lenses help. I went back to the optometrist
after realizing the wavefront measurements were made in bright room
light. I asked if it could be redone with my eyes dilated, as they are
at night. I'd be willing to pay for more glasses, in hopes that it
would work. He called the guy who developed Opthonix. The answer was
that the wavefront works off a pre-set pupil distance. If the eye is
too out of wack, the wavefront won't accept it. But they are working
on wider pupil versions. The optometrist said he'd be willing to
dilate my pupils and redo the wavefront exam at no charge, just to see
if it would work. It's a three-hour drive so I haven't had a chance to
get back down there yet. I'm still hopeful that the wavefront glasses
could work. Anything is better than risking another surgery.

"crvc" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I have Opthonix glasses. I had LASIK several years ago and as a
>result I can't drive at night. So I tried the wavefront glasses. I
>found that in bright sunlight they eliminate the halos that glint off
>of chrome or car roofs. But after sundown they don't help much. Not
>nearly as much as RGP lenses help. I went back to the optometrist
>after realizing the wavefront measurements were made in bright room
>light. I asked if it could be redone with my eyes dilated, as they are
>at night. I'd be willing to pay for more glasses, in hopes that it
>would work. He called the guy who developed Opthonix. The answer was
>that the wavefront works off a pre-set pupil distance. If the eye is
>too out of wack, the wavefront won't accept it. But they are working
>on wider pupil versions. The optometrist said he'd be willing to
>dilate my pupils and redo the wavefront exam at no charge, just to see
>if it would work. It's a three-hour drive so I haven't had a chance to
>get back down there yet. I'm still hopeful that the wavefront glasses
>could work.

It sounds like the side effects that you were primarily trying to
minimize are still an issue with the Ophthonix specs--more than they
are with your RGP's.

Do you have any impression as to how well they correct your basic
visual acuity, either relative to your previous glasses or to your
RGP's?

In other words: I think I understand what they /didn't/ do for you.
What /did/ they do for you, if anything.

Two other questions:

What did you pay for the Ophthonix lenses (without the frame)?

What is your basic spectacle prescription, post-LASIK?

With my vicious propensity toward ciliary spasm, and fairly decent
astigmatism, I'm interested.... Even if you pay a lot of money for
marginal benefit ... if there /is/ a marginal benefit ... it might be
worth my consideration. The company is very close to me--along one of
my usual bike routes, in fact!

> Anything is better than risking another surgery.

Amen, Brother (sister?)!

TIA,

Neil
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I don't know if they *claim* supervision, but *supervision* is
something that you desperately need.
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Everyone would like supervision and see the best they can. More than
95% of people have retinas capable of at least 20/10 vision, the
problem is high order aberrations in healthy, pathalogy free eyes.
20/10 or even 20/15 would be a real marvel to "see" in the future when
wavefront glasses technology matures. Todays wavefront glasses doesnt
do very much and like I said, my friend has at least 5 friends who
tried that with no difference. Todays wavefront glasses are a stepping
stone to the exciting advances of the future! 20/10 BSCVA will no
longer be limited to a very few elite people with nearly aberration
free optics, but itll be available to the masses! Of course this could
be 20+ years from now

acema...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Everyone would like supervision and see the best they can. More than
> 95% of people have retinas capable of at least 20/10 vision, the
> problem is high order aberrations in healthy, pathalogy free eyes.
> 20/10 or even 20/15 would be a real marvel to "see" in the future when
> wavefront glasses technology matures. Todays wavefront glasses doesnt
> do very much and like I said, my friend has at least 5 friends who
> tried that with no difference. Todays wavefront glasses are a stepping
> stone to the exciting advances of the future! 20/10 BSCVA will no
> longer be limited to a very few elite people with nearly aberration
> free optics, but itll be available to the masses! Of course this could
> be 20+ years from now

shut the fu@k up. you have to be the most immature sniveling little
kid i've ever seen. one minute you ask a question like the newbie that
you are and the next minute you're handing out advise like a educated
experienced expert. the internet police need to get your IP address
and shut you down.

sorry but im entitled to freedom of speech and its perfectly fine to
talk about the sciences of wavefront here. You need to learn some
manners. Have a nice day

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>acema...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Everyone would like supervision and see the best they can. More than
>> 95% of people have retinas capable of at least 20/10 vision, the
>> problem is high order aberrations in healthy, pathalogy free eyes.
>> 20/10 or even 20/15 would be a real marvel to "see" in the future when
>> wavefront glasses technology matures. Todays wavefront glasses doesnt
>> do very much and like I said, my friend has at least 5 friends who
>> tried that with no difference. Todays wavefront glasses are a stepping
>> stone to the exciting advances of the future! 20/10 BSCVA will no
>> longer be limited to a very few elite people with nearly aberration
>> free optics, but itll be available to the masses! Of course this could
>> be 20+ years from now
>
>shut the fu@k up. you have to be the most immature sniveling little
>kid i've ever seen. one minute you ask a question like the newbie that
>you are and the next minute you're handing out advise like a educated
>experienced expert. the internet police need to get your IP address
>and shut you down.

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> sorry but im entitled to freedom of speech and its perfectly fine to
> talk about the sciences of wavefront here.

Sure. As long as you actually KNOW something about the science of
wavefront. Otherwise, you look like and idiot.

But that apparently doesn't stop you.