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Visual Data Decrease from V1 onwards absorbed?

 
 
Luwe
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      09-13-2009, 02:19 AM
Hi,

When visual streams pass thru the visual cortex areas like
V1, V2, V3, V4 and so on. Do the data stream decrease after
passing each stage? For example, after passing thru the edge
and form detector or motion or color detector of particular
visual cortex area, are the neural streams for those respective
edge, form, color detection absorbed in those cortex parts
and the visual streams reaching the latter parts like V19
become smaller?? Or are the visual data streams constant
all the way to the prefrontal cortex for thought processing? Thanks.

Luwe
 
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      09-13-2009, 12:51 PM
On Sep 13, 10:19*am, Luwe <edwardl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When visual streams pass thru the visual cortex areas like
> V1, V2, V3, V4 and so on. Do the data stream decrease after
> passing each stage? For example, after passing thru the edge
> and form detector or motion or color detector of particular
> visual cortex area, are the neural streams for those respective
> edge, form, color detection absorbed in those cortex parts
> and the visual streams reaching the latter parts like V19
> become smaller?? *Or are the visual data streams constant
> all the way to the prefrontal cortex for thought processing? *Thanks.
>
> Luwe


In simple words, does each functional module like V2, V3, etc.
attenuate the signals of the visual streams after passing
thru each of them and triggering the firing their neurons
(involved in say edge detection, form, color detection, etc.)?

Luwe

 
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Dr Judy
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      09-13-2009, 05:45 PM
On Sep 12, 10:19*pm, Luwe <edwardl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When visual streams pass thru the visual cortex areas like
> V1, V2, V3, V4 and so on. Do the data stream decrease after
> passing each stage? For example, after passing thru the edge
> and form detector or motion or color detector of particular
> visual cortex area, are the neural streams for those respective
> edge, form, color detection absorbed in those cortex parts
> and the visual streams reaching the latter parts like V19
> become smaller?? *Or are the visual data streams constant
> all the way to the prefrontal cortex for thought processing? *Thanks.
>
> Luwe


The vision input is not linear but more like a network. Input may go
to the various areas at the same time, not one after the other. Some
of the areas influence one another, some don't.

Judy
 
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      09-13-2009, 10:51 PM
On Sep 14, 1:45*am, Dr Judy <mpac...@rogers.com> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 10:19*pm, Luwe <edwardl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,

>
> > When visual streams pass thru the visual cortex areas like
> > V1, V2, V3, V4 and so on. Do the data stream decrease after
> > passing each stage? For example, after passing thru the edge
> > and form detector or motion or color detector of particular
> > visual cortex area, are the neural streams for those respective
> > edge, form, color detection absorbed in those cortex parts
> > and the visual streams reaching the latter parts like V19
> > become smaller?? *Or are the visual data streams constant
> > all the way to the prefrontal cortex for thought processing? *Thanks.

>
> > Luwe

>
> The vision input is not linear but more like a network. *Input may go
> to the various areas at the same time, not one after the other. *Some
> of the areas influence one another, some don't.
>
> Judy


What do you think bind the edge, motion and color detectors as
a unity? Whatever it is that bind them. If you can tap it with
an electronic and the right frequency, then you can superimpose
video images into our brain such that it can feel indistinguisable
from reality?

Lu
 
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Dr Judy
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      09-14-2009, 08:33 PM
On Sep 13, 6:51*pm, Luwe <edwardl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 14, 1:45*am, Dr Judy <mpac...@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 12, 10:19*pm, Luwe <edwardl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> > > Hi,

>
> > > When visual streams pass thru the visual cortex areas like
> > > V1, V2, V3, V4 and so on. Do the data stream decrease after
> > > passing each stage? For example, after passing thru the edge
> > > and form detector or motion or color detector of particular
> > > visual cortex area, are the neural streams for those respective
> > > edge, form, color detection absorbed in those cortex parts
> > > and the visual streams reaching the latter parts like V19
> > > become smaller?? *Or are the visual data streams constant
> > > all the way to the prefrontal cortex for thought processing? *Thanks.

>
> > > Luwe

>
> > The vision input is not linear but more like a network. *Input may go
> > to the various areas at the same time, not one after the other. *Some
> > of the areas influence one another, some don't.

>
> > Judy

>
> What do you think bind the edge, motion and color detectors as
> a unity? Whatever it is that bind them. If you can tap it with
> an electronic and the right frequency, then you can superimpose
> video images into our brain such that it can feel indistinguisable
> from reality?


Some of the motion, edge and colour detection happens in the retina.
Some happen at various other locations in the brain.

Not sure what you mean by putting video images into the brain; the
brain won't respond to video feed, it responds to the electrical input
from the eyes which watch the video feed.

Three-D movies and videos, especially some of the sophisticated
amusement park rides with moving chairs are pretty good now at
simulating reality without any direct input to the brain.

Judy
 
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Edward
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      09-14-2009, 11:25 PM
On Sep 15, 4:33*am, Dr Judy <mpac...@rogers.com> wrote:
> On Sep 13, 6:51*pm, Luwe <edwardl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 14, 1:45*am, Dr Judy <mpac...@rogers.com> wrote:

>
> > > On Sep 12, 10:19*pm, Luwe <edwardl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> > > > Hi,

>
> > > > When visual streams pass thru the visual cortex areas like
> > > > V1, V2, V3, V4 and so on. Do the data stream decrease after
> > > > passing each stage? For example, after passing thru the edge
> > > > and form detector or motion or color detector of particular
> > > > visual cortex area, are the neural streams for those respective
> > > > edge, form, color detection absorbed in those cortex parts
> > > > and the visual streams reaching the latter parts like V19
> > > > become smaller?? *Or are the visual data streams constant
> > > > all the way to the prefrontal cortex for thought processing? *Thanks.

>
> > > > Luwe

>
> > > The vision input is not linear but more like a network. *Input may go
> > > to the various areas at the same time, not one after the other. *Some
> > > of the areas influence one another, some don't.

>
> > > Judy

>
> > What do you think bind the edge, motion and color detectors as
> > a unity? Whatever it is that bind them. If you can tap it with
> > an electronic and the right frequency, then you can superimpose
> > video images into our brain such that it can feel indistinguisable
> > from reality?

>
> Some of the motion, edge and colour detection happens in the retina.
> Some happen at various other locations in the brain.
>
> Not sure what you mean by putting video images into the brain; the
> brain won't respond to video feed, it responds to the electrical input
> from the eyes which watch the video feed.


Persinger can put signal into the temporal lobe by magnetic
field and cause people to experience live hallucinations. I
wonder if someone has experimented on ejecting images
into the visual cortex so you can see stuff superimposed
on your visual field that is indistinguisable from reality
such that you can't tell them apart. They just have to figure
out the right signal strength and frequency. Rodolfo Llinas said
40 Hz bind the brain, so if we can use a 40 hertz magnetic
field tuned to the neurons strength then we can maybe inject
any live feed into the brain. I wonder what is the latest
in this field.

Lu


> Three-D movies and videos, especially some of the sophisticated
> amusement park rides with moving chairs are pretty good now at
> simulating reality without any direct input to the brain.
>
> Judy- Hide quoted text -
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