Whick Lasik System is the newer / better one??

I'm comparing two eye centers (both with wavefront technology), and for
me it boils down to whichever clinic has the most modern & accurate
equipment. There is a significant price difference too, but that
doesn't matter to me nearly as much as receiving the best results.

One clinic uses the Allegretto Wave laser, and the other uses the
Bausch & Laum 217.

The promotional material from the Allegretto clinic reports 98% of
patients end up with 20/20 vision or better, while the website for the
B&L clinic says 87.3% have 20/20 or better.

Maybe the 98% figure isn't even realistic??

Any informed opinions are GREATLY appreciated. No opinions or "well I
went here so this one is the best" posts, please.

Thanks in advance.

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> I'm comparing two eye centers (both with wavefront technology), and for
> me it boils down to whichever clinic has the most modern & accurate
> equipment. There is a significant price difference too, but that
> doesn't matter to me nearly as much as receiving the best results.
>
> One clinic uses the Allegretto Wave laser, and the other uses the
> Bausch & Laum 217.
>
> The promotional material from the Allegretto clinic reports 98% of
> patients end up with 20/20 vision or better, while the website for the
> B&L clinic says 87.3% have 20/20 or better.
>
> Maybe the 98% figure isn't even realistic??
>
> Any informed opinions are GREATLY appreciated. No opinions or "well I
> went here so this one is the best" posts, please.
>
> Thanks in advance.

What is your vision acuity corrected at this very moment?
If it is 20/40, you shall never receive 20/20.
BTW, a vision acuity of 20/20 after the surgery is not necessarily the same
comfortable vision as the old 20/20 (corrected) before!

--
Jan (normally Dutch spoken)

Neither pro, nor anti, LASIK,LASEK,PRK etc......

> --
> Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
>
> Neither pro, nor anti, LASIK,LASEK,PRK etc......

Just an idiot that sells glasses.

You must also take into account the skill/experience levels of the
providers
who are doing the procedure. Which clinic is going to do the
better job with pre-op testing and post-op visits (in case something
goes wrong)? Does one clinic have a corneal specialist? Does one
clinic have an assembly line operation versus personalized care?
The laser is only as good as the clinician
IMO (I know you didn't want "opinions"). But I'd be much less
concerned
about the actual lasers used and more concerned about the surgeon
and staff.

frank

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> I'm comparing two eye centers (both with wavefront technology), and
for
> me it boils down to whichever clinic has the most modern & accurate
> equipment. There is a significant price difference too, but that
> doesn't matter to me nearly as much as receiving the best results.
>
> One clinic uses the Allegretto Wave laser, and the other uses the
> Bausch & Laum 217.
>
> The promotional material from the Allegretto clinic reports 98% of
> patients end up with 20/20 vision or better, while the website for
the
> B&L clinic says 87.3% have 20/20 or better.
>
> Maybe the 98% figure isn't even realistic??
>
> Any informed opinions are GREATLY appreciated. No opinions or "well
I
> went here so this one is the best" posts, please.
>
> Thanks in advance.

Both are very good. Flip a coin, or make the decision base upon how
you perceive the doctor and staff.

DrG

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> I'm comparing two eye centers (both with wavefront technology), and for
> me it boils down to whichever clinic has the most modern & accurate
> equipment. There is a significant price difference too, but that
> doesn't matter to me nearly as much as receiving the best results.
>
> One clinic uses the Allegretto Wave laser, and the other uses the
> Bausch & Laum 217.
>
> The promotional material from the Allegretto clinic reports 98% of
> patients end up with 20/20 vision or better, while the website for the
> B&L clinic says 87.3% have 20/20 or better.
>
> Maybe the 98% figure isn't even realistic??
>
> Any informed opinions are GREATLY appreciated. No opinions or "well I
> went here so this one is the best" posts, please.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>

You don't want any opinions? Then why did you ask the question in the
first place?! If there was one laser that was clearly and objectively
better, then no-one would buy or use the other one.

Anyway, I wouldn't read too much into the figures you quoted... there
are plenty more variables than that simple percentage. You can have
20/20 vision and still be unhappy with your outcome. As other posters
have suggested, the knowledge and experience of the surgeon, the pre and
post-op examinations, your refraction, and your eye's individual healing
qualities (etc) all make a bigger difference than what brand of laser is
used. Go with whoever created the best impression when you went to visit
them.

Dom

There are differences between the two laser systems. Depending upon
your individual circumstances, those differences may be important or
without cause for concern.

If the Bausch & Lomb Technolas 217 is the 217z or Zyoptix system, it
uses a customized wavefront evaluation system to determine both low
order aberrations and higher order aberrations. This information is
then used to create an ablation profile that is determined to a great
degree by your own individual eyes. This is called "customized
wavefront".

If you are in the United States, the WaveLight Allegretto also has
utilized wavefront data, but in a different way. Rather than taking
an evaluation of your individual eyes, Allegretto used wavefront data
in the lab to create an ablation profile that is optimized to provide
the best overall results. This is called "wavefront optimized".

If your refractive error is low and if your higher order aberrations
are moderate, either laser will probably provide the same result
(assuming that all else is equal between the surgeons). If you have
unusual higher order aberrations it may be that only the Zyoptix will
be appropriate or even that you should not have any surgery at all.
The only way to know is to have a wavefront evaluation.

We have a detailed article on this situation at
http://www.usaeyes.org/faq/subjects/...stom_lasik.htm that
you should read.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

> IMO (I know you didn't want "opinions"). But I'd be much less
> concerned
> about the actual lasers used and more concerned about the surgeon
> and staff.
>
> frank

LET'S REPHRASE IT:

I'd be much less concerned about the technique, which is always
fallible, but about the actual greed for money of the surgeon and his
business.

> Both are very good. Flip a coin, or make the decision base upon how
> you perceive the doctor and staff.


Now this gives you the value of the SCIENCE these people are selling
here.

Flip a coin, my friend.
You have at least 50% of probability to catch the good fellow!!!

> You don't want any opinions? Then why did you ask the question in the

> first place?! If there was one laser that was clearly and objectively

> better, then no-one would buy or use the other one.

It is clear that the poor boy is concerned.

It is also perfectly clear that your SCIENCE is fallible.

And very dangerous.


The truth is that these procedures have no scientific nor medical value
at all.