-23 D under self-treatment: progress update

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by g.gatti, Apr 17, 2005.

  1. g.gatti

    g.gatti Guest

    Today I helped my young client to read outdoors.

    After the use of the sun-treatment and the solar glass she was able to
    read license plates with numbers and letters 9 cm tall at a distance of
    15 meters.

    Also she was able to read a big sign with a number 26 (50 cm tall) at a
    distance of 50 meters.

    Very good!

    g.gatti, Apr 17, 2005
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  2. g.gatti

    otisbrown Guest

    Very Roughly:

    9 cm at 15 meters

    3.6 cm at 6 meters

    Maybe 20/100 or so on
    an "day" eye-chart -- if your
    numbers are correct.

    Keep us posted.


    otisbrown, Apr 17, 2005
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  3. g.gatti

    g.gatti Guest

    I met her at the station this morning and visibly her eyes were quite
    bulging outside, expecially the weaker one, and quite closed, the upper
    eyelids covered the upper part of the iris.

    Then in late afternoon the eyes were more normal, less bulging, and she
    could see herself in a mirror and praise herself for her nice work.

    Also the pupils were less dilated.

    This case is very interesting because the girl (a graduated biologist
    with a doctorate in genetics) is determined to be cured, and soon, and
    is willing to cope with the treatment and follow Dr. Bates guidelines
    in full.

    She is doing sun-gazing with the HRM protocol, too.

    She has never worn any kind of eyeglasses anymore since Jan 1st.

    I don't know why the so-called learned men here do not treat the Bates
    treatment as scientific. It is truly 100% scientific: if you DO it, you
    get ALWAYS results. And if you CONTINUE to do it, in the end you will
    get a cure, always. I mean that science is a collection of reproducible
    facts. It is quickly and easily reproducible, the fact that after
    removing the glasses and started treatment, letters come out of the
    snellen chart with mathematical security, if you follow the directions.

    See you later.
    g.gatti, Apr 17, 2005
  4. g.gatti

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Rishi,

    Going from -23 diopters to 20/100 seems impossible.

    But, maybe, as the ODs will tell you, she
    had "muscle spasm" myopia, or perhaps

    It might be that her genetics "pre-programed"
    her vision to "clear", at the same time
    she was working to clear her vision.

    She has the "physics" backgrond for this
    type of analysis.

    What does she think of her efforts?


    otisbrown, Apr 18, 2005
  5. We have researched this case and can now confirm that there was a slight
    error in the original reporting. Was was written as -23.00 D. was
    actually -00.23 D.

    Rishi, who is an astrologist by trade, sends her apologies.
    William Stacy, Apr 18, 2005
  6. g.gatti

    g.gatti Guest

    To me is just science applied to intelligence.
    Yes, I am interested in how much this effect can be. I have read on
    this board of learned people that 5 dioptres is the limit.
    That's may be reasonable, but we know that if she stops treatment and
    takes glasses again, she will lose her improvements.
    Of course she truly has it, indeed.
    She was shocked to see the license plates with such an easiness. Now
    she has to decide if she may devolve the right time to treatment and
    get a sabbatical semester from her studies or continue her studies full
    time and neglect the treatment.

    I hope she will choose the best track, which is --- to me --- quite

    I have pictures of her practicing with the small chart at one foot, you
    could see the eyes bulging out so there are no questions about the
    stupid answer this MASTER IDIOT MR. STACY has just published hereafter.

    But pictures will be published at the end of the cure.

    However, auto-refractometer papers are available to be seen.

    If you are interested, I will post them.
    g.gatti, Apr 18, 2005
  7. g.gatti

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    She probably was over-prescribed by Rishi's cousin, Rushi, over in

    I have also noticed that Rishi has taught this poor unfortunate how to
    squint and how to make her pupils tiny in order to improve her sight.

    Dr. Leukoma, Apr 18, 2005
  8. g.gatti

    g.gatti Guest

    I have her not taught anything, she just practised with me the methods
    Dr. Bates, a lifetime ophthalmologist and discoverer of adrenalin, has
    written in his book, The Cure of Imperfect Sight by Treatment Without
    Glasses, which I have reprinted in English and also translated into
    Italian (this for the first time in the world).

    By the way, her eyes were partially closed, thanks for your ugly
    treatment of 23 years which producec just a continue degradation of her
    vision AND or her eyes.

    If there was Mussolini alive, you would have been jailed because of
    your weakeing of the race by the spectacles prescription you so
    blindily give instead to teach patients what is the problem and its

    Fast variability in pupils width is just a sign of mental strain.

    people with perfect sight have not such kind of variability in pupil

    This check anyone can do.

    Take a patient with perfect sight and no discomfort from the sunlight
    and you will see.

    Please, mind your own business, blacklist me and get lost.
    g.gatti, Apr 18, 2005
  9. g.gatti

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Rishi,

    RM and DrG requested that the Italian "authorities" bring strong
    measures against the "guilty" party.

    But I am not certain whether that is you -- or the OD who
    over-prescribed the woman by -20 or so diopters.

    The "jury" remains "out".


    otisbrown, Apr 18, 2005
  10. No, it just turned out to be a clerical error. Those pesky decimal
    points. I'm sure she will correct it publicly very soon. Rishi also has
    a very nice selection of pinhole glasses for sale that she also uses to
    determine progress with Bates. Very stylish. She sells them from her
    astrology site, along with the Bates reprints. Quite the businesswoman.

    w.stacy, o.d.
    William Stacy, Apr 18, 2005
  11. g.gatti

    Neil Brooks Guest

    Check under your pillow, Otis. It's quite possible that the tooth
    fairly left you money, too.
    Neil Brooks, Apr 18, 2005
  12. The reason we originally suspected the error was the incidence of myopia
    that high is so rare as not to be believed. I've seen about 10,000
    people (20,000 eyes) in my many years of practice, and the highest myope
    I ever encountered was -19.00, about 20 years ago. From time to time I
    see -12.00 to -15.00, but never have I personally seen a -23.00. I
    wonder how many o.d.s on this group have seen -23.00 in their years of
    practice? If you answer this, please post approx. the # of eyes you've
    seen along with the highest myopias you've seen.

    w.stacy, o.d.

    p.s. the other reason we suspected an error is that a 23 D. myope's eye
    is about 8 mm too long for its optical system. To achieve emmetropia
    the eye will have to shrink almost a centemeter, or the cornea will have
    to be flattenet 8 diopters (can you imagine that?), or a clear lens
    exchange would be required.
    William Stacy, Apr 18, 2005
  13. g.gatti

    g.gatti Guest

    If Mussolini was alive, these two strong idiots would have been put in
    jail long before, due to their stupidity and weakening of the race.
    The woman was not "over-prescribed". She was just treated according the
    "law" and got disturbed day after day, the more the prescription, the
    more the disturb.

    After removing the 23 D convex glasses, the poor girl could not see
    anything more far than 5 or 10 cm.

    Now she walks in the streets 6 km per day to go to work, and I am
    confident that in a few weeks she will be able to run her bicycle.

    The "jury" is just the intelligence of the readers.

    We go on here in listening to stories of complaint from the disgrace of
    this "science".

    Today I went to another client who told me a story of ophthalmic

    She was very precise in telling me that in 30 years of treatments with

    I explained to her the benefits of true palming (the sue of the mind
    and memory to silence pain), pinpointing the chapters in the book of
    Dr. Bates where this is outlined.

    I am sure she will do fairly well because when she recognized that this
    was a trick which was never mentioned to her but was sound, she smiled.
    Then her grandchildren of three years came running in sight and I
    suggested her to practice the remembrance of the little boy, his smile,
    his voice, etcetera. The old lady was even more excited to try this
    "new" technique.

    I understand that we are doing mostly religious or philosophical work,
    in fact, I am sorry. It's not medicine nor science. This newsgroup is
    not fit for my messages. I see.

    See you later.

    g.gatti, Apr 18, 2005
  14. g.gatti

    Neil Brooks Guest

    Another chapter in "The Further Episodes of Rishi's Streetwalker
    Rishi, if you could read, you would notice that you *never* read about
    a commercial airplane flight, filled with passengers, that took off
    and landed safely. What makes the headlines are the cases where
    things go wrong.

    Millions (dare I say probably closer to a billion) have been well
    served by optometrists, opticians, and ophthalmologist. I'm wondering
    how many fictitious patients you have swindled in your day.....
    I think she was implying that you give her a headache.
    Well, it's tough to say whether that amusing little anecdote is longer
    on credibility or on detail. Hmmmm.
    No. Of course it's not. You're the only one that doesn't seem to
    realize that.

    Now that you claim to, will you leave? I'll give you a dollar. Or a
    Euro . . . or some Lira . . . .
    Neil Brooks, Apr 18, 2005
  15. g.gatti

    g.gatti Guest

    Mr. Stacy, please, stop this bullshit.

    The fact that YOU, out of your ignorance, have not seen a -23 D myopic
    case does not mean that at least one of your peers could not prescribe

    In fact, the eye of the young girl is manifestly bulging out, but after
    self-treatment with Dr. Bates' sun-glass, the eye appeared sincerely
    MUCH better.

    Today this intelligent girl has phoned me her improvements.

    She practiced with the big Snellen chart at 10 feet and could see the
    line of 20 feet (with both eyes together, one eye is less myopic by 4
    dioptres than the other, last measurement with the auto-refractometer
    was -16 and -20).

    A very great progress indeed.

    This girl will be cured.

    I promise my dedicated effort in helping her to overcome your malicious

    This is for the record.
    g.gatti, Apr 19, 2005
  16. A while ago I asked if the o.d.s (or o.m.d.s if any are out there) would
    post their highest myopia corrections, out of approximately how many
    patients they had seen (not during school, residency, etc. where the
    most outrageous Rx come) in practice. Haven't seen any reports.
    Reiterating my -19.00 (it was approximately O.U.) out of over 10,000
    patients. Or have all the docs been scared off by that pinhole pusher?

    w.stacy, o.d.
    William Stacy, Apr 19, 2005
  17. g.gatti

    g.gatti Guest


    I am glad that nobody was so injured by your malicious practice, except
    this poor intelligent young lady.

    This, however, does not negate her disease.

    She is curing herself and she will succeed.

    This is for the record.
    g.gatti, Apr 19, 2005
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    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Rishi,

    It boggles my mind to find that this 28 year-old woman has
    a -23 diopter prescription -- and can read in the reange of
    20/100 to 20/70.

    The rough translation between visual acuity and a "correcting"
    lens is about 70 (feet) to 1 diopter, or the power (average)
    used to clear from 20/70 to 20/20 is about 1 diopter.

    Thus -23 diopters is about 20/1600.


    What happened. What when wrong with the "prescription" process.

    Why was her vision not checked under "room" illumination.

    The ODs sneer at your statements -- but I think they don't
    what to know about these "situations".

    You should protect this woman's privacy -- but it would be
    interesting to see the "refractive" history you posted for her.

    I am very pleased that she can see 20/100 -- almost clear
    enough to work with out glasses.


    otisbrown, Apr 21, 2005
  19. g.gatti

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    Hmmm...interesting that Otis believes Rishi. Speaks volumes about you,

    Dr. Leukoma, Apr 21, 2005
  20. g.gatti

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear DrG,

    I believe what I see in print. That is what I suggest.

    In fact one man, a Mr. Romish, had a "prescription" of
    -4.5 and -4.25 diopters.

    He has overheard me talking about true-prevention and
    attempted to "clear" on his own -- with out talking to me!

    In a way -- I am glad he did -- because I did not believe
    he could clear from that "level" of a prescription.

    He obtained a strong plus lens -- and begin working with it --as
    well as PERSONLLY checking his own eye chart.

    His eye chart reading was FAR BETTER that this "prescription".

    After some work (intensive) he began to read the 20/40 line (close)
    on the eye chart. I suggested he go to the DMV and attempt
    to pass the required LEGAL line. He failed.

    He continued working and "pushing print" after a few more weeks
    he went back and PASSED the DMV!

    I was so shocked, I asked him to give me BOTH his prescription
    AND his driver license test.

    I have both.

    Those are the fact. I am certain you will figure out
    some way to "spin" the for your own benifit.

    Whether Rishi has these records -- I do not know.

    But from the above -- I will give him the benifit of the doubt.


    otisbrown, Apr 21, 2005
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