Any experience with vision programs that use eye exercises?

Discussion in 'Eye-Care' started by James Tilden, Feb 24, 2006.

  1. James Tilden

    James Tilden Guest

    Hi all,

    Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with any of the vision
    programs that use eye exercises.

    I have recently ordered one on the internet, and I'm a week and a half in to
    the program. I'm following the instructions, wearing the glasses as little
    as possible, using reduced prescription glasses, etc., and I'm curious to
    see if anyone has gone through the same thing, and what results they might
    have had.

    If there is interest, I can report back once I've completed a month or two
    of the program.

    I don't have my prescription handy, but I'm starting with roughly -3.50 in
    my right eye, and -2.00 in my left eye.

    Thanks and regards,

    James Tilden, Feb 24, 2006
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    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Jim,

    Subject: Various "preventive" methods -- and
    "attitudes" towards them.

    The majority-opinion on is profoundly hostile towards
    the preventive methods. I would suggest going to:

    For a more "balanced" review of your questions.

    In short order you will find a series of "posters" who will "blast" you
    and your questions.

    Good luck,

    otisbrown, Feb 24, 2006
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    drfrank21 Guest

    Sorry you wasted your money. How much are you out? These "vision
    programs" are simply scams. There are legitimate vision therapy exer-
    cises but not the ones that magically reduce or eliminate refractive
    (myopia, astig, presbyopia). The only good thing is that these programs
    cannot hurt your eyes or vision (unless the program tells you to stare
    at the sun or something as lame-brained).
    I'd suggest getting an eye exam right now to get the most accurate
    (without telling the O.D. the purpose of your visit) and then repeat in
    a few
    months (again, without telling the O.D.) and actually get independent
    verification to see if you actually reduced your myopia. My guess is
    you'd find very little, if any, change. Let us know.

    drfrank21, Feb 24, 2006
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    acemanvx Guest

    I verified an improvement of a diopter of my myopia. My old script was:

    left eye -5.5 sphere -.5 cylindar(160 axis) correctable to 20/30
    right eye: -4.5 sphere, -1.0 cylindar(45 axis) correctable to 20/40

    Now my new script is:

    left eye: -4.5 sphere, -.75 cylindar(140 axis) correctable to 20/30
    right eye: -3.5 sphere, -1.5 cylindar(55 axis) correctable to 20/40

    The optometrist slightly undercorrected my cylindar the first time or
    maybe it changed a little. However my sphere decreased by a diopter in
    each eye! I didnt buy any "programs" I just read online how people
    improved their vision, including this lady:

    she improved her vision and so did I! I undercorrect myself with weaker
    glasses to strengthen my eyes and clear my vision. I also do focusing
    exercises at near(without glasses!) and got my near point from 18cm and
    now im up to 22cm!
    acemanvx, Feb 24, 2006
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    RT Guest

    Who performed these refractions and were they done under the same

    What did your OD say after he verified your 1 diopter improvement? What
    does he think about your NVI?
    RT, Feb 25, 2006
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    Charles Guest

    I'm concluding a four month course of vision therapy right now. Mine
    was through a normal optometrist's office for the purpose of improving
    a convergence problem - not for the purpose of reducing or eliminating
    my prescription. I wish it were otherwise, but mainstream vision
    therapy folks do not claim that the exercises will be effective in
    directly fixing myopia or astigmatism. The only thing I was told is
    that sometimes astigmatism results from eye teaming issues, and if
    therapy fixes the eye teaming problem, the astigmatism may go away as
    well. No guarantee though.

    I'd be very interested to hear how it works out for you though. I
    really want something to be possible.

    Charles, Feb 25, 2006
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    acemanvx Guest

    "The only thing I was told is
    that sometimes astigmatism results from eye teaming issues, and if
    therapy fixes the eye teaming problem, the astigmatism may go away as

    do tell me how! I just got new glasses today and now things are even
    worse it appears! I was seeing better quality by not correcting my
    cylindar! Ill make a thread on this
    acemanvx, Feb 25, 2006
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    Dragon28 Guest

    First, use your correct prescriptions when you need them, they will
    prevent strain.
    Seccond, there are useless excersises.
    Third, I have a little experience with Bates' metod, I have improved my
    eyesight (I had presbiopia - farsightedness) and I have a friend who
    improved -1.25 dioptres in a year.
    I can tell you that it might help, but as fast as you get the point of
    the exersises, think if they are usefull for you.
    Dragon28, Feb 25, 2006
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    Charles Guest

    I told you everything I know. You could go to a VT doctor and see if
    they think you have any convergence type issues. I'm afraid that
    anyone who claims they can work directly on your astigmatism is
    probably a quack, although I wish it were otherwise.

    After reading all I could find on the net, I am really starting to
    think that astigmatism is caused, in some fashion, by how people use
    their eyes. If you tend to use your eyes in the same way for long
    periods of time, and if you do it in an unusual way, I believe
    astigmatism is more likely to develop. In my case, I have a tendency
    to look sideways at things, and I suspect that may be part of my

    The "therapy" I'm going to try is to spend less time on computer. It
    can't be helping.

    Charles, Feb 25, 2006
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    drfrank21 Guest

    Sorry, it's not. Having said that, there could be a possible
    with eye "rubbing", especially excessive, due to allergic and/or dry
    eye conditions.

    Regardless, most astigmatism (not counting the very high astigmats,
    irregular astig) is not a big deal in any sense of the word. It's just
    a problem.

    drfrank21, Feb 25, 2006
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    Charles Guest

    I'm not sure what you mean. All I have is approximately -1 astigmatism
    in each eye. It's a problem to me because it's the entire reason I
    need glasses. I find my uncorrected vision unacceptable most of the

    As to the cause of astigmatism, how can you be so sure? I'm certainly
    only speculating as to causes, but I find it hard to believe that I'm
    developing progressively worse astigmatism for "no reason". I think
    that it must be related in some fashion to how I use my eyes: prolonged
    computer use, sleeping on my face, eye rubbing, looking sideways,

    I've posted links before to published studies showing that the axis of
    astigmatism is predictable in some cases based on the scanning pattern
    of the eyes. The same study also supported the theory that if you look
    sideways at things (a lot) that the eye looking across your face will
    develop more astigmatism.

    Charles, Feb 26, 2006
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    Charles Guest

    I didn't pay attention, but in 2003 I was -0.75, now my lastest is up
    to -1.5, although I think I'd be perfectly happy at -1.25 if not -1.
    In 1994 I was 20/20, which probably means -0.5 or less, but I'm not
    What's major? Like I keep saying, I had perfect vision (or at least
    good enough that it never bothered me, and the FAA gave me an
    unrestricted medical) in 1994. Something happened since then that has
    made me reliant on glasses.

    Anyway, why is it bunk? If I was born with it, that's one thing, but I
    wasn't. And the articles I read have real data behind them, not mere

    Charles, Feb 26, 2006
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    Charles Guest

    Apparently, you didn't read the article. The do not predict identical
    axis, they precict the symmetry you describe. Furthermore, they
    accurately predicted the specific angles in the cases studied.

    Charles, Feb 27, 2006
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    drfrank21 Guest

    Moderate to severe astigmatism is at least 3 d and up. What happened
    to cause this change?? My guess, you got OLDER.

    drfrank21, Feb 27, 2006
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    p.clarkii Guest

    presbyopia is not the same as farsightedness. but some of the rip-off
    eye exercise programs don't seem to appreciate the difference.
    p.clarkii, Feb 27, 2006
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    Dragon28 Guest

    OK, I meant hyperbiopia or somth. like that, I forgot the term and it
    was the first to show up in my mind.
    I do understand the differenses.
    Dragon28, Feb 27, 2006
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