auto accident and retinal detachment question

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by Kunta Chen, Jan 9, 2004.

  1. Kunta  Chen

    Kunta Chen Guest

    I was involved in a auto accident where I was rear-ended on Oct 1, 2003.
    Around Dec 7th I started noticing
    floaters in my left eye. On Dec 11th I went to see my opthamologist and he
    found numerous tears and sign of
    retinal detachment, which he tried to fix with laser, next day my
    opthamologist decided the retina detachment
    was imminent and I had emergency bubble surgery done that night. My
    operation was successful
    but around Dec 30th I started noticing floaters in my right eye.

    My question is being in a car accident cause my injury? Although I did not
    show any sign for two months.
    Kunta Chen, Jan 9, 2004
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  2. Kunta  Chen

    LarryDoc Guest

    Certainly possible (especially if your head hit something or an airbag
    went off in your face), but not guaranteed. Coincidence, and from
    another underlying cause is another possibility.

    I hope you've been to the doctor to assess the symptoms you are
    expriencing in your right eye.


    Dr. Larry Bickford, O.D.
    Family Practice Eye Health & Vision Care

    The Eyecare Connection
    larrydoc at eye-care-contacts dot com (remove -)
    LarryDoc, Jan 9, 2004
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  3. Mr. larryDoc didn't even ask if the patient was wearing glasses!
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 9, 2004
  4. If he was, then there was less of a chance of flying debris causing damage.

    Scott Seidman, Jan 9, 2004
  5. If he was not wearing glasses, that is, if he was perfect sighted
    without glasses noro contacts nor operations, he could have not run into
    the accident in the first place and his eyes would have been strong, so
    no damage could have existed.

    I bet the man was nearsighted, with weak eyes.
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 9, 2004
  6. Kunta  Chen

    Kunta Chen Guest

    Yes I am nearsighted but my accident has nothing to do with my eyesight, I
    was hit from behind.
    Kunta Chen, Jan 10, 2004
  7. I understand.
    Please, what was you refraction, I mean, which glasses were you wearing,
    -5, -10, contacts, progressives...

    Thanks very much.

    Please visit
    and you can buy a replica of the Original Dr. Bates book
    "Perfect Sight Without Glasses"
    and if you are interested, join the group
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 10, 2004
  8. Kunta  Chen

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    If you are nearsighted, the higher the nearsightedness, the greater the
    retinal thinning, and the greater the underlying risk one has of having a
    retinal detachment. Detachments can occur from a pre-existing hole or a
    tear, although tears are more prone to detachment because of the retinal
    tag that keeps tugging on the retina every time the eye moves. People have
    indeed suffered detachments induced by blows to the eye or the head. You
    will no doubt remember Sugar Ray Leonard, the boxer, who had to retire
    because of retinal detachments. I once tended a boy who suffered a
    detached retina following a thumb to the eye while playing basketball. It
    was several weeks following the injury that he presented with the symptoms.

    The eye, being a hollow organ filled with a thick, viscous substance, will
    transmit energy like a bowl of jello, causing first a tear, then ultimately
    a detachment. I would be surprised if your ophthalmologist did not examine
    your other eye for signs of a tear or detachment.

    Dr. Leukoma, Jan 10, 2004
  9. Kunta  Chen

    Kunta Chen Guest

    I was wearing glasses, my prescription is
    spherical cylindrical axis
    OD -6.25 -1.00 005
    OS -7.75 -0.25 090
    Kunta Chen, Jan 11, 2004
  10. I see a serious myopia, not "so" serious, but the kind of that weakens
    the eye so much that any moment you may produce a detachment.

    You should understand that the unconscious strain you put on your eyes
    is so big, that it happens that the refraction is no more changed but
    the weakening continues, and so you produce at a certain point a

    Your only way to escape this situation is to start a serious and
    intense practice of the rest methods devised by Dr. Bates.

    Don't follow the advice of the professionals you find here: aske them
    what is their success rate, and you will see it is ZERO!
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 12, 2004
  11. Please --- be complete!

    Tell us the whole story.

    What was the condition of the sight of Leonard and of your patient who
    had the thumb in his eye, pre and after the accident.

    There is any proof, however, that links the accident with the

    You must be correct in your statements, because you are a professional
    and people believes in you!

    Be honest!!!
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 12, 2004
  12. Kunta  Chen

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    (Rishi Giovanni Gatti) wrote in

    On the other hand, nobody expects you to be correct, and so you can spout
    any kind of lunacy you want.

    Dr. Leukoma, Jan 12, 2004
  13. Please answer my question, be a scientist, don't start quarreling.

    Stick to the point.

    What was the refraction of Mr. Leonard and of your patient with the
    thumb in the eye.

    Tell us if there was a story of imperfect sight, pre and after.

    I think readers are very much interested!

    What was the outcome of the two patients, how they cope now???
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 12, 2004
  14. Kunta  Chen

    Evaristo Guest

    What kind of convoluted argument is this ?

    What is that gives you correctness ?? The fact that you are a
    professional ? Oh shit, authority principle strikes back.
    Academics and professionals cannot be wrong because they
    are academics and professionals. Since it is expected from
    them to be correct it means that they cannot say that they
    are wrong (even if they are and even if they themselves find this
    out) because otherwise their authority would go down the drain.

    So, if they are wrong they cannot admit it in every case.
    Now how can science advance in a situation like this?


    Crystal clear like source water.

    In fact science advances only by leaps made from so called
    mad people that do not bother to be expelled and jailed and
    such because they are intelligent and they love truth and
    science way more than their perceived authority.

    Galileo is my hero, and a lot of others.

    Dear Leukoma, you and your peers are right if you want, but
    myopia will continue to be caused by the strain to see far
    away objects.
    Evaristo, Jan 12, 2004
  15. Kunta  Chen

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    I think you must be having some problems with the English language.

    Dr. Leukoma, Jan 13, 2004
  16. Kunta  Chen

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    Bates' followers have had enough time to prove their case in this group,
    let alone in a scientific forum. What separates the professionals and
    academics from the mystics is called the scientific method. In this way,
    ideas that do not withstand the scrutiny of scientific enquiry fall by the
    wayside(i.e. Bates).
    If I am wrong I will admit it. But what have I said that you think is
    Bates' theories are not advancing.
    That is your belief, and you are entitled to it. Just don't try to force
    it on me.

    Dr. Leukoma, Jan 13, 2004
  17. As you have with the cure of the eyes.
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 13, 2004
  18. Kunta  Chen

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    Oh, but I have cured many eyes. I have made many eyes less nearsighted
    with the use of minus lenses.

    Dr. Leukoma, Jan 13, 2004
  19. Kunta  Chen

    Evaristo Guest

    There is no way to prove it arguing, because you start from
    some ideas that are different from mine, so arguing is useless.
    The only valuable thing to do, and I'm very aware of it, is
    this: take someone that understands the method and has been
    able to cure himself (me) give him a population sample to cure
    in a reasonable amount of time. Get another similar sample of
    people and "treat" them with your methods. Get a third one
    and let them alone without doing anything upon them.
    Here you are very very wrong.
    In almost a century there has not been ANY ANY ANY serious
    effort at a scientific enquiry.

    What the so called scientific professionals have been able to do
    is only to label the Bates' work as quackery WITHOUT EVEN
    read his ORIGINAL work !!! But basing their judgment only on
    the shit that the so called idiotic "Bates teacher" have spread all
    over the world.

    The scientific approach REQUIRES that scientists must
    reproduce the experimental conditions of the previous
    researcher and try to get his results (FACTS, not THEORIES)
    first, THEN try to research more (with more sophisticated scientific
    research if possible) in that direction if the original experiments
    gave the results expected.

    Chatting on a newsgroup with people that say:
    "hmm I've tried it and it didn't work, SO it is bullshit"
    is NO SCIENCE !!!

    BUT, if SOMEONE "tried it" and IT WORKED, scientific
    men should AT LEAST give an ear (so to speak) to what
    is going on...

    But, alas, on this newsgroup there are no scientific men,
    so no wonder that the only things that "professionals"
    are saying is "it's too late, it haven't worked for so long
    SO it proves that it cannot work" or "he was a mad man
    believing in different things than ours" and UNSCIENTIFIC
    BULLSHIT like that.
    The whole way in which you "treat" patients is wrong,
    You are only able to give devices that alleviate the symptoms
    but the disease remains or gets worse.
    Simply because nobody studied it SCIENTIFICALLY.

    The fact that has been ignored for so many years does
    not prove that it is wrong, in any way.

    Besides, the Bates' discoveries are "workable" one
    because he not only discovered the true cause of imperfect
    sight but he found a treatment for it. Although the
    treatment may be not so quick in obstinate cases.
    This is MORE than enough for ophthalmology to advance.
    And there is room for other research to quickly treat and
    cure all cases.

    Fortunately, something is starting to move, and I think
    that in a year or two I'll be able to withstand a scientific
    demonstration of the truth of what Bates discovered, in
    the way I described above.
    I do not force anything on anyone.
    It is not a belief, it is a truth that I've been able to demonstrate
    to myself. I can't help but say the truth: you and your peers
    believe in something that is fallacious.

    If truth is there (demonstrated by facts), there is no room
    for beliefs.

    Please answer:
    Have you ever read the original works of Dr.Bates?
    Have you ever tried to prove some of his statements true?
    Just out of curiosity I mean.
    What if you try something on some of your patients and it
    turns out to be true ?
    Your investments in your profession are too high ?
    But, wait a moment, you have only to gain if you become able to
    really treat and cure people. What is it that hinders you ?
    Maybe your beliefs like the one about strong light ?
    Take willing patients and try the WHOLE things that Bates wrote!

    Why, and I am very very curious about it, you do not have
    some curiosity about it and want to stick to your so loved beliefs?
    Evaristo, Jan 13, 2004
  20. Any idiot can do that with the use of a minus lens, "grazie al cazzo"
    (we say in Italy)!

    Try to do that with more elegance without lenses nor operations, that
    is, teaching rest methods.

    That will show your intelligence.
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 13, 2004
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