Black Light safety?

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by Tom Malcolm, Dec 27, 2003.

  1. Tom Malcolm

    Tom Malcolm Guest

    I have a bud who has made his whole apartment
    a black light place - he has 24-inch flourescent
    black light tubes everywhere - at night that's his
    only lighting. I wonder - is there a long-term risk
    from viewing black light (the kind sold to consumers) to the eyes?
     
    Tom Malcolm, Dec 27, 2003
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  2. Tom Malcolm

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    (Tom Malcolm) wrote in
    You are talking about a standard fluorescent bulb with a special coating to
    filter out everything but the UV. Therefore, there is no more UV coming
    from that kind of black light than would be emanating from a standard bulb,
    and most of what is generated is long wavelength, low energy UV.

    DrG
     
    Dr. Leukoma, Dec 27, 2003
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  3. I don't think this is entirely correct. More UV obviously
    gets out, else they wouldn't work at detecting UV
    fluorescent inks under normal light levels.

    Standard mercury vapor fluorescents natively produce _alot_
    of UV from the long arc. This is absorbed and re-radiated
    by the phosphors coating the inside of the tube. (More
    expensive phosphors give a warmer/redder light).

    These phosphors are missing in UV fluorescents and are
    instead replaced by materials which absorb visible light.
    Some of the shortest UV is probably blocked by the glass
    tube, but the exact spectrum will depend on what the
    manufacturer has used. Consult GE.

    I think there is an elevated hazard, especially since
    the iris will be dilated and the visual purple clear.
    But probably minimal unless the bulb or reflective
    surfaces (metal) are within the visual field to inject UV
    into the eye. Most surfaces will absorb UV, reducing the
    amount the gets into the eye.

    -- Robert
     
    Robert Redelmeier, Dec 27, 2003
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  4. Tom Malcolm

    Trev Glasbey Guest

    Typically, the fluorescent tube type UV lights emit at 360nm

    Trev


     
    Trev Glasbey, Dec 27, 2003
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  5. Tom Malcolm

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    Let's make one thing clear: long wave UV is not harmful to the eye. UV-A
    and UV-B are potentially harmful. The reason that fluorescent inks are not
    detected under normal light levels is because the fluorescence is masked by
    the overwhelming amount of light in the visible range.
    You are correct here.
    I thint that this is much ado about nothing.

    DrG
     
    Dr. Leukoma, Dec 28, 2003
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  6. Tom Malcolm

    Tom Malcolm Guest

    Thanks to all for posting on this - the bulbs are 24 inch bought
    at a "head shop" - circa 1960's. So I guess I should not be
    worried about my friend - as the lights emit what he would
    get from a normal flourescent bulb - just not the other frequencies,
    just the long wave friendly-to-the-eye light - I'll just tell him
    not to stare at the bulbs.
     
    Tom Malcolm, Dec 28, 2003
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  7. Thanks to all for posting on this - the bulbs are 24 inch bought
    at a "head shop" - circa 1960's. So I guess I should not be
    worried about my friend - as the lights emit what he would
    get from a normal flourescent bulb - just not the other frequencies,
    just the long wave friendly-to-the-eye light - I'll just tell him
    not to stare at the bulbs.
    [/QUOTE]

    Also tell him not to leave his windows open at night if unscreened when
    they are on - UV light attracts nocturnal insect life of all sorts like
    you wouldn't believe!

    I have heard that prolonged exposure to UV can contribute to corneal
    opacity - any opto's care to comment?

    --
    Regards,
    Nicolaas.


    - I've got a tiger in my tank. Please don't put the nozzle up his nose!
     
    Nicolaas Hawkins, Dec 28, 2003
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  8. Interesting!
     
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Dec 28, 2003
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  9. Tom Malcolm

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    Cataracts used to be an occupational hazard for glassblowers as a result of
    high exposure to intense infrared radiation. Short-wave, intense UV does
    not penetrate very far, and is mainly absorbed by the cornea. However,
    some of it does get through to the lens and retina, and is thought to be
    contributory to age-related cataracts and macular degeneration.

    DrG
     
    Dr. Leukoma, Dec 28, 2003
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  10. Tom Malcolm

    Tom Malcolm Guest

    I have heard that prolonged exposure to UV can contribute to corneal
    I know that UV from mercury arc lamps and the Sun can harm the eyes
    and everything else - but what about the comsumer-grade UV
    flourescent tubes (and even 75 watt painted bulbs)? Do those
    put out the same harmful frequencies - or are the consumer sources
    more likely to put out wavelengths close enough to visible light
    to not harm one's eyes long term. Guess we need to do a study of
    those who worked in "head shops" in the 70s to see where their
    eyes are now!
     
    Tom Malcolm, Dec 29, 2003
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  11. On 29 Dec 2003, Tom Malcolm wrote
    I'd bet that, unless they have been surgically removed they are in the same
    place they were in the 70's.

    Do you not mean "to see what condition their eyes are in now"?
     
    Nicolaas Hawkins, Dec 29, 2003
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  12. to not harm one's eyes long term. Guess we need to do a study of
    When you do the study, please do not efface out the variable that
    counts for the use of eyeglasses to correct imperfect sight.

    You will see that people using eyeglasses to correct their imperfect
    sight will be more prone do the developing of cataracts and macular
    degeneration, being these two disease absolutely absent in people
    gifted with perfect sight without glasses, contacts or operations.
     
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Dec 30, 2003
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  13. I have a pertinent question.

    What would happen if a stare into a 40-watt black light laser for about 4 minutes?
     
    Electromagnet, Jan 1, 2004
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  14. Tom Malcolm

    Tom Malcolm Guest

    If it's 1/10 off a milliwatt - nothing, if it's 1 watt,
    good-bye. eyeball. Also, never look down waveguide,
    touch electrical stuff with 1 hand in your pocket, etc.
     
    Tom Malcolm, Jan 1, 2004
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  15. And remember not to look into laser with remaining eye.

    --
    Regards,
    Nicolaas.


    - You know it's going to be a bad day when the bird singing outside your
    window is a buzzard.
     
    Nicolaas Hawkins, Jan 1, 2004
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  16. Tom Malcolm

    Tom Malcolm Guest

    Still waiting for an answer - I'd like to know if the light
    produced by consumer-grade 24 inch flourescent black
    lights is harmfull to the eyes long term. Searched the
    web and found nothing real on this topic. thanks!
     
    Tom Malcolm, Jan 2, 2004
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  17. Electric?

    One hand in pocket?
     
    Electromagnet, Jan 3, 2004
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  18. Tom Malcolm

    Tom Malcolm Guest

    never look down waveguide,
    Microwave equipment uses waveguide - usually a long rectangle metal
    thing, sometimes the other end is pumping out lots of energy, so one
    should never look into a square metal tube hooked up to fancy lab
    electronics.

    If you try and fix a wall light socket, and the power is on, and you
    grab different parts with both hands - the electricity might go
    through your heart, stopping it - but if you use just one hand, it will
    go through your leg, giving you a much better shot of avoiding
    death, etc.
     
    Tom Malcolm, Jan 3, 2004
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