Can lasik be used to increase myopia

Discussion in 'Laser Eye Surgery' started by Charles, Mar 25, 2005.

  1. Charles

    Charles Guest

    I have mild myopia at -2/-1.75 but I would like to be as nearsighted as my
    girlfriend as we both have a fettish for nearsightedness.

    Is it possible to have my myopia increased to say -6 using eye surgery?

    Who would be willing to do such a procedure?

    Thanks!

    Charles
     
    Charles, Mar 25, 2005
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  2. Charles

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Charles,

    Lasik can in fact produce -6 diopters -- easily.

    The "ethics" of it are in doubt. Very few people want their eyes
    "worse" -- but that might be your choice.

    Ask around -- you might find a "supporting" MD.

    Best,

    Otis
     
    otisbrown, Mar 25, 2005
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  3. Charles

    ycdbsoya Guest

    Can't you yokels tell this person is yanking your collective chains? A
    fetish for myopia? That is truly funny. Even funnier you saps would
    respond!
     
    ycdbsoya, Mar 25, 2005
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  4. Charles

    Guest Guest

    Otis , why not explained to this people your favorite theme '' the use of a
    minus glass causes myopia increase ''
    Must be a peace of cake.

    --
    Free to Marcus Porcius Cato: ''Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam"

    In conclusion, I think that the "Otis therapy" should be destroyed

    Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
     
    Guest, Mar 25, 2005
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    Dr Judy Guest

    Possible, but unlikely that any surgeon would agree to it.

    As a mother of a teen who is thinking about piercings and tattoos, my advice
    is to not do anything permanent and irreversible that you might regret later
    (ie ok for piercing, nix on tattoo).

    You want to match your girlfriend's myopia, but, in future, you may have a
    different girlfriend or her myopia may change. Would you then have more
    surgery? Here is a better idea to achieve reversable, changable myopia
    (also more affordable):

    Get fit with +4.00D Night and Day or Pure Vision contact lenses that you can
    wear 24/7. That will make you a -6.00D myope without glasses and you can
    then get -6.00D glasses to satisfy your fetish. Change the contact lens
    powers if you change girlfriends or if her myopia changes.

    Dr Judy
     
    Dr Judy, Mar 25, 2005
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  6. Charles

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Mike,

    Can't you tell this guy is yanking you chain.

    If he said he was going to jump off a cliff, I would
    tell him that it was a "bad idea", but that if
    he insisted on it -- there would be nothing I
    could do to stop hiim.

    Best,

    Otis
    Engineer
     
    otisbrown, Mar 25, 2005
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  7. Charles

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Charles,

    While most people do not want to "make their naked vision worse", there
    is a way to do it.

    A long time ago, Russian draftees who had normal vision (refractive
    status zero to +2 diopters) would obtain a strong minus lens, say -3 to
    -4 diopters. They would wear that minus lens all the time 16/7. By
    the time then went for their physical, they could not read the eye
    chart, and they would be disqualified because they had myopia.

    If you wish, and can obtain it, just wear an extra -2 or -3 diopter
    lens (over-prescribed) and you can personally verify this prediction.

    This does depend on age. If you are 16 years or so -- the results (an
    additional 2 diopters myopic) could develop in about a year.

    I DO NOT RECOMMEND that you do this -- but experiments with primates
    show this result.

    The ODs insist this WILL NOT HAPPEN, and that wearing of an "excessive"
    minus has NO EFFECT ON THE REFRACTIVE STATE OF THE NATURAL EYE.

    Best,

    Otis
     
    otisbrown, Mar 25, 2005
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  8. Charles

    Guest Guest

    And yes there he is !!!!!!!!! (see the message in the thread below)

    I must say, it is inexcusable of me to make a joke about this fellow Otis
    and trying to draw him out.

    Me apologizes to all the real eyecare professionals.


    --
    Free to Marcus Porcius Cato: ''Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam"

    In conclusion, I think that the "Otis therapy" should be destroyed

    Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
     
    Guest, Mar 25, 2005
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  9. Otis, I question your story. First, wouldn't it be a whole lot simpler just
    to lie when you were in front of the eye chart? Second, the Russian army
    probably didn't care very much about how well their draftees could see "a
    long time ago".

    Scott
     
    Scott Seidman, Mar 25, 2005
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    Dan Abel Guest

    I would suggest counseling instead. Granted, you can have surgery to
    change your gender, which is more drastic. But people who want their
    gender changed, want it always changed. Surgeons won't do it until the
    person has spent at least a year being the other gender.

    I would suggest that you do something similar. Get contacts or glasses
    that give you the vision a -6 myope would have. The nice thing is, once
    you get tired of bumping into things, you can just remove the contacts or
    take off the glasses, and your vision will improve.
     
    Dan Abel, Mar 25, 2005
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    A Lieberman Guest

    Dear Charles

    Disregard Otis's posts. He is not in the medical profession, therefore
    take his "recommendations" for what it's worth. Zilch, nothing.

    Allen
     
    A Lieberman, Mar 26, 2005
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  12. I considered the sincerity of the post before I replied, and sure it
    is suspect, but someone else may read it and think it a good idea, or
    at least an acceptable idea. That is why I chose to respond and
    respond in the manner I did.

    Glenn Hagele
    Executive Director
    Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

    Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

    http://www.USAEyes.org
    http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

    I am not a doctor.
     
    Glenn - USAEyes.org, Mar 26, 2005
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  13. My wife is Russian. I have traveled throughput the former Soviet
    Union. I have friends who are Russian ophthalmologists. The directors
    of four of the Fyodrov Institute locations are professional
    acquaintances of mine. Nobody has heard anything about this minus
    lens foolishness to avoid the draft. Furthermore, it would be much
    less expensive (purchasing spectacles was very expensive during Soviet
    times) and much easier to simply pay the evaluating authorities a
    small bribe to receive a medical deferment.

    Glenn Hagele
    Executive Director
    Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

    Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

    http://www.USAEyes.org
    http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

    I am not a doctor.
     
    Glenn - USAEyes.org, Mar 26, 2005
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  14. Charles

    Andrew Chew Guest

    Care to list down the advantages? Thanks.
     
    Andrew Chew, Mar 26, 2005
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    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Charles,

    Subject: Using a +5 diopter lens to achieve your desired "look" of
    wearing "coke bottle" minus glasses.

    Why not go to an OD, and explain that you love that "coke-bottle
    bottom" look that myopes have who are 8 to 11 diopters myopic?

    As him to give you a plus contact of
    about 6 diopters. With your current -2.0 diopters, the plus will make
    you about a -8 diopter myope.

    Then read the eye chart through the phoropter (trial lens kit --
    equivalent) and he will find that it takes about a -8 diopter lens to
    clear the 20/20 line in semi-darkenss.

    This is better than the Lasik you suggest.

    If you do not like the "look" just remove the +6 D contact, and go back
    to your -2 diopter lens.

    Problem solved -- with no risk to you.

    Best,

    Otis
     
    otisbrown, Mar 26, 2005
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  16. Charles

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Allen,

    You really "fell" for this one.

    This is an obvious "put on".

    And you are attempting to "protect" him!

    Wonderful.
     
    otisbrown, Mar 26, 2005
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  17. Charles

    Andrew Chew Guest

    At -3D, someone told me my eyes were made for reading books even when
    presbyopia sets in. Thing is I'm not really into reading books nowadays. I
    do most of my reading on the computer. And I have to sit pretty close to the
    computer screen if I want to see without my glasses. If my correction
    was -2D, it would have been ideal.
    I read somewhere that farsighted people can usually accommodate to see near
    up to +4D until their 30s?
     
    Andrew Chew, Mar 26, 2005
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    Neil Brooks Guest

    Were you farsighted when you were younger, as well? In other words,
    had you had a cycloplegic refraction done?

    It sounds to me as though you probably always had that
    prescription--other than the +2.25 reading add--but that your
    accommodative mechanism was . . . well . . . quite accommodating. I'm
    jealous, by the way ;-)

    Did you have eyestrain symptoms through school, not wearing glasses?

    Doesn't seem very likely to my little pea brain that you would
    *develop* the kind of refractive error that you have now. More likely
    that you lost your ability to overcome it with age and presbyopia.

    What do you think?
     
    Neil Brooks, Mar 26, 2005
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    A Lieberman Guest

    Otis,

    Everything you say is a "put on" I asked you direct questions, and you
    fail to produce unbiased proof of your position.

    You have no credibility therefore everything you say is a joke.

    Allen
     
    A Lieberman, Mar 26, 2005
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    Andrew Chew Guest

    My aunt's prescription improved from -5 to -3. Same with my mom but hers was
    more like -2.5 to -0.5, which is my estimate as she refuses to go for an eye
    test. I believe researchers call it the hyperopic shift. When I presented my
    findings to the ophthalmologist I saw, he said it was due to pseudomyopia.
     
    Andrew Chew, Mar 26, 2005
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