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Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by Shinigami Eyes, Aug 7, 2010.

  1. Shinigami Eyes

    Otis Guest

    Dear MS,

    Subject: Putting on "airs" for the general public.

    Using a trial lens kit to determine your refractive STATE takes some

    In fact, all you need is the "scientific lenses" and the ablity to use
    them correctly.

    Since Mike says "screw you" if you ask him scientific questions -- you
    truly have no choice but to take responsiblity to understand
    objective SCIENCE, and PREVENT under your control.

    Mike is a "dead horse". There is little choice but to teach yourself
    prevention under your control.

    Second-opinion (and true-prevention) best,


    Alwasy remember -- there are a small "band of brother ODs and MDs who
    support true SCIENTIFIC PREVENTION. It is up to you to find them, and
    follow their PREVENTIVE recommendations.

    Otis, Aug 20, 2010
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    Dan Abel Guest

    The problem is that Mike doesn't understand the True Science method of
    medicine. First you do the surgery. Only then do you figure out how to
    do the surgery. Then, you determine whether surgery was necessary.
    Only as a last step, do you diagnose the patient to find out whether any
    treatment is required.

    Gotta do things in the right order!
    Dan Abel, Aug 21, 2010
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    Otis Guest

    Also, if anyone asks intelligent questions about the POSSIBLE
    'secondary-effects", simply tell them "screw off".
    Otis, Aug 21, 2010
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    MS Guest

    Rods? Didn't Moses have one of those?
    Noah's ark? Didn't that flood last longer than 10 seconds? Wasn't
    that flood deeper than 5 cm?
    What is it with you and Biblical references man?
    MS, Aug 21, 2010
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    MS Guest

    How do you know?
    MS, Aug 21, 2010
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    Otis Guest

    Dear Mike Tyner,

    Subject: Putting "words" in my mouth -- that I NEVER SAID!!!

    I stated that it would be wise for a person to check both his Snellen,
    and his refractive STATE with his own Trial-Lens kit.

    You will find that people will learn a great deal -- IF THEY MAKE

    I have suggested this approach for a Engineering/Scientific study --
    with the "empowerment" being that each man -- MAKE HIS OWN

    Enjoy the science of the concept of prevention (exclusively).
    Otis, Aug 21, 2010
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    Neil Brooks Guest

    You're FREAKED out about this ?

    You do this ALL THE TIME.

    You're an absolute fucking idiot, Otis, and a pathological liar.

    How pathetic you are.
    Neil Brooks, Aug 21, 2010
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    MS Guest

    Fo' shaw. Skip the diagnosis part altogether I'd say. Nevermind
    treatment either. Let the patient suffer. Serve 'em right. Saves
    our NHS a bit of £ too. What with the economic crisis and all. Like,
    you get me?
    MS, Aug 21, 2010
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    Otis Guest

    Subject: The Second-Opinion ODs who "figured it out".

    Re: Find a lens that "works". Apply it. Impress the public. End of

    Yes, there are "insightful" ODs who were able to recognize that the
    fundamental eye is dynamic -- and that THRESHOLD PREVENTION WAS

    But the public is so "set" to accept the "impress the public" part --
    that it is impossble to get beyond that primitive "quick-fix"

    The second-opinion ODs and MDs are correct.

    The over-prescribed minus lens is in fact "...poision glasses for

    But your attitude towards ENGINEERING/SCIENCE -- is indeed "screw

    For any review by Engineers, I suggest that should be the first topic
    to discuss.

    Science and prevention best,
    Otis, Aug 21, 2010
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    Neil Brooks Guest

    You're an idiot, Otis.

    A pathological liar and an absolute fucking idiot.

    How can you live with yourself ?
    Neil Brooks, Aug 21, 2010
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    MS Guest

    MS, Aug 22, 2010
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    Otis Guest

    Dear MS,

    Indeed Dr. Bates was a "different" person.

    He had run "preventive" studies in N.D., with some success.

    But never forget, that other ODs and MDs had "reasoned out" the
    possiblityof prevention using the plus lens.

    But none of these "methods" are "easy", and none of them can be

    Enjoy our discussions,
    Otis, Aug 22, 2010
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    MS Guest

    MS, Aug 22, 2010
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    Otis Guest

    Dear MS,

    Subject: Yes, Bates published -- and any an all results were ignored.

    In fact, the "advocates" of plus-prevention prepared a review of the
    "public's" response -- which is critical to understanding the issue of

    That was ignored also.

    As this titel suggests, it is very easy to "impress" the public with a
    minus -- and very few (at the threshold) wish anything else.

    Enjoy the analysis.
    Otis, Aug 22, 2010
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    MS Guest

    Mrs. Lierman, Dr. Bates' assistant and later wife describes her
    experience at the Harlem Hospital in treating eye cases. The official
    companion to "Perfect Sight Without Glasses."

    Dr. MacCracken writes as a physician after using Dr. Bates' methods in
    his practice for 10 years.

    Entire run of "Better Eyesight." The monthly magazine edited by Dr.
    Bates as the official reference companion to his book.

    Reprint of "Better Eyesight." Each volume reproduced in microprint.
    MS, Aug 22, 2010
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    MS Guest

    Thanks for the analysis, Otis. I agree. It's very odd how Dr. Bates
    and his work have simply gone ignored all these years. A funny world
    we live in.
    MS, Aug 23, 2010
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    Otis Guest

    Dear MS,

    Subject: Dr. Bates and the need for a future study.

    You are correct. But those voices that "object" to the minus lens are
    "destoryed" in so many ways.

    But never forget those ODs and MDs who refer to the minus as "poision
    glasses for children".

    Yes -- the minus lens does "work" impressively. This is why I suggest
    the person get his own trial-lens kit, and (wth no medical problem)
    check his vision himself.

    That would be a start of a future Bates study, only with each person
    receiving a better education on:

    1. Reading his Snellen.
    2. The "History" of the problem.
    3. The possibility of clearing his Snellen from 20/60 to normal
    through the use of Bates/Prentice concepts and methods.

    The problem?

    The minus lens is so "easy" and "obvious" that few will undergo the
    effort of prevention.

    This remains the open question today.

    Enjoy the analysis,
    Otis, Aug 26, 2010
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    MS Guest

    Want to know where to find Dr Bates' (& 2 of his associates') original
    and yes, 100% unedited material? All you have to do is to visit my
    profile where you'll find all the links you need.
    MS, Aug 29, 2010
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    Otis Guest

    Dear MS,

    Subject: Why was Dr. Bates 1913 study SHUT DOWN??

    So far, there has been NO REVIEW of this study. Why not give the man
    a "fair chance", and plan for a better (more organized) PREVENTIVE

    I certainly agree that PREVENTION of a negative STATE for the natural
    eye WILL NOT BE EASY. But anything worth while -- has never been

    But the endless "snipeing" as conducted on this site -- makes rational
    DISCUSSION of even the POSSIBLITY OF PREVENTION (before that first
    minus) -- IMPOSSIBLE.

    People do managed to "clear their Snellen" by use of these various

    MS -- why not provide your review of Dr. Bates study, to include the
    reasons you think that:

    1. The Snellens were removed from the classroom, and
    2. The study terminated -- because the kids were not supported
    correctly in their success?

    Otis, Aug 29, 2010
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    MS Guest

    Sorry Otis, I can't comment.

    That apparently was what the Board of Education decided.

    Your thoughts?
    MS, Aug 29, 2010
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