Current Progress in vision-clearing from -2.75 diopters

Discussion in 'Eye-Care' started by otisbrown, Aug 31, 2005.

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    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Friends,

    There is no doubt about the diversity of opinions about
    nearsighedness prevention "out there". The fact
    of the second-opinion should be understood.

    Some will work with the "second opinion", and others
    will not.

    It is essential that the person understand that he
    must pass the legal requirements that are imposed
    on all of us for driving a car, i.e., reading
    1.8 cm letters at 6 meters.

    Here is an update from Mike as to his progress.

    As always, ejoy our pleasant analytical research
    into the dynamic behavior of the eye -- as
    a competent system.




    Dear Mike,

    Subject: Your outstanding success from -2.75 dipoters (20/70)

    Re: Update

    I am very pleased that you have cleared your distant vision
    to better-than 20/40. That is a major personal accomplishment.

    Your decision to quit "cold turkey" BEFORE you contacted me
    was a major step in the right direction.

    Some additional commentary:


    Mike> I wore my friends +1.5 lens and I looked at my eyechart. I
    read a little better then before I began using the plus. I
    am pretty sure that I have cleared atleast 1.5 diopters off
    of of my origional 2.75 and I still have a year until I see
    my O.D.

    Otis> I agree that you are correct. It would be nice if you had
    your own trial-lens kit, but "borrowing" a lens is a good
    check. My interest is that you always pass the DMV at
    20/40, and continue working towards 20/20. (Just don't get
    frustrated -- clearing is a very slow process indeed.)

    Mike> I am confident that my next prescription will -1 diopter or
    better and that has me excited. I am very glad that I made
    decision to use the plus.

    Otis> Please remember that John M., who PASSES the military flight
    requirement MEASURES at -1 diopter!!! Thus I suspect that
    the eye-chart measurement you are making is far more
    accurate that the "diopter" measurement. If you start
    "seeing" in the range of 20/30 to 20/15 vision, then you
    would pass the Military requirement -- in the same manner
    that John passed the requirement.

    Otis> Again, I wish you had your own "trial" minus lens to check this.
    Remember, the official (DMV) test is room-illumination.
    Semi-darkness testing yields a profoundly different result.

    Mike> I read 20/30 almost all of the time now and the 20/25 quite
    often but 20/20 is still blurry.

    Otis> I have received a new "requirement" from Dr. Judy. Reading
    1/2 the letters on a line "passes" the line. The previous
    standard was reading 4 out of 5 letters.

    Otis> I have presented you with John M's statement about
    "ghosting". That is a concern, but I personally would
    prefer to "clear" to 20/20 or 20/15 and "accept" some
    ghosting (slight shadow) if that is part of the "bargin".
    otisbrown, Aug 31, 2005
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    Neil Brooks Guest

    Neil Brooks, Sep 1, 2005
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    RM Guest

    Otis "Engineer" is a zealot who advocates his "plus lens" prevention theory
    without good reason. There is no scientific data to prove what he proposes.
    He would ask that all myopes (=nearsighted persons) go around wearing plus
    reading glasses in hopes that it will eventually reverse their
    nearsightedness. Nevermind that the blurry distance vision that myopes
    complain about is made worse by plus lenses! Nevermind that there is no
    proof for what he claims.

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    RM, Sep 1, 2005
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    p.clarkii Guest

    who cares about this?
    go away troll
    p.clarkii, Sep 1, 2005
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    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Friends,

    It is obvious that you don't care about Mikes long-term
    vision -- but HE DOES.

    I will forward your remarks to him. If he had any respect
    for you it is fact evaporating.

    Fortunatly there are true professional optometrists
    who support prevention (on the threshold) as
    the second opinion --as it should be.

    As I have acknowledged, some people see great
    value is prevention (entering a four year college)
    and are willing to accept objective facts concerning their
    natural eye's behavior under that circumstance.

    This is the "right" decision and choice for Mike.

    There is a massive amount of DIRECT SCIENTIFIC FACTS
    demonstrating that (on input versus output) testing that
    the refractive state of the eye "follows" it average visual
    environment. Mike is simply using his understanding
    of these scientific facts to keep his distant vision clear -- when
    his friends (at 20/50) will lose theirs. A perfectly reasonable

    Perhaps others can learn from his success, and from
    the recommentadations of Steve Leung OD

    who has his own children wearing a plus for preveniton.

    In the future I would expect other ODs to be supportive of
    this goal.


    otisbrown, Sep 1, 2005
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    Neil Brooks Guest

    Neil Brooks, Sep 1, 2005
  7. Read my prescription after cycloplegic exam Otis,

    OD -0.75 + 0.25 x40
    OS -0.75

    Glasses precription both -0.50

    Military standard transposition minus cylinder method:

    OD -0.50 - 0.25 X 130
    OS -0.75

    Mike should SUBSCRIBE TO SCI.MED.VISION DEFINITELY. Both eye vision also
    doesn't help during exam, each eye is tested seperately, that is what it
    counts, I highly doubt that Mike can see 20/30 clearly each eye.
    Reading snellen does not mean a lot and doesn't bring out the real
    underlying refraction problem. I can still read 20/20 both eyes, does
    that mean anything? I am still -.75!
    Mike, just pay attention to that "+0.25" cylinder I have which I didn't
    HAVE before I used plus for 8 months. I don't have anything else to say.
    Plus cylinder helps me with the cyclo part of the military exam since it
    brings down the minus HOWEVER it doesn't help one bit reading the chart!
    It is still my worse eye. It is my understanding that Mike is obsessed
    with the plus like I was, he should talk to his OD instead of waiting
    another year. Next year it might be too late for him since he is still
    growing up. Plus lenses are harming him, he doesn't even know that.
    Yasar, Mehmet C PFC A Co 602d ASB, Sep 1, 2005
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