Did any of you know about orthokeratology prior to getting lasik?

Discussion in 'Laser Eye Surgery' started by acemanvx, Aug 3, 2006.

  1. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest

    Orthokeratology as some of you dont know is based on contact lenses.
    However the special thing is you insert them in just before going to
    sleep then remove them when you wake. You then experience clear vision
    anywhere from 8 hours to a whole week, lower corrections last longer
    before regressing. Just insert the orthoK retainer lenses on another
    night to keep your vision clear. Low prescriptions only have to do that
    as little as once a week! I know someone who was -1.5 that only needed
    to sleep with orthoK retainer lenses every third night, the effects
    lasted 3 days! OrthoK has minimal hassle and takes as little time as
    brushing teeth. Cant tolerate contacts during the day?

    No problem, the beauty of orthoK is to bypass the discomfort of daily
    wear contacts drying and irritating your eyes. I know a few people who
    couldnt tolerate daily contacts but had *no* problems with orthoK!
    OrthoK costs a third of lasik, has less than a tenth the risks and is
    reversable! The only thing better about lasik is you could be free of
    all correction other than reading glasses if presbyopic. Convinent when
    you travel alot and dont have to bring your orthoK and cleaning kit and
    backup glasses.

    I understand orthoK is not for everyone, but for most, it is an
    appealing alternative thats cheaper and much safer and reversable. For
    those of you with less than -3 myopia and less than -1 astigmatism, you
    are likley to end up 20/20 and if not, at least 20/40 resulting in an
    elimination or at least a very, very great reduction in dependency of
    glasses. For those of you at -4, the chances of 20/20 is lower, but
    still very good chance of 20/40. If you must have 20/20 vision, frankly
    you wont be a good candidate for orthoK nor lasik as you must have
    relistic expectations.

    The beauty of orthoK is that its reversable if you arent satisfied for
    any reason. You could get orthoK for the time being and wait for lasik
    technology to improve or other alternatives to be invented. OrthoK is
    also great for those in their 30s because they can discountine orthoK
    or get a reduction in correction when they approach 40 and presbyopia
    rears its ugly head. I know a lady who was a high myope who chose
    orthoK because it would not correct her fully, nor did she want a full
    correction. She reduced her dependency on distance glasses *and* still
    stayed out of reading glasses! Lasik has the risk of overcorrection,
    resulting in bifocals and seeing blurry at *all* distances, much more
    so from near.

    Many people are afraid or squirmish of lasik for one reason or another.
    Some people say the risks of lasik is very low, well orthoK is far
    safer. Also the squirmish dread the idea of a surgeon playing around
    with their eyes. I have thought about lasik but dont like its risks and
    permanence if something goes awry. With orthoK as a better and safer
    alternative, it is silly not to make that your first choice(for some,
    lasik isnt even an option anyway) I am getting soft contact lens orthoK
    a few weeks after my atropine on Friday. I will let everyone know how
    well orthoK works for me. If it doesnt work out, no problem its
    reversable and im back to glasses.
     
    acemanvx, Aug 3, 2006
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  2. acemanvx

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear AceMan,

    Subject: Atropine versus Ortho-K -- for you.

    Since you are about -4 diopters, why not try Ortho-K, before
    "atropine".

    It may cost about $1,600, but it might enable you to meet
    your vision-clearing goal.

    I truly hate having my eyes "frozen" with a drug. Better to
    go for Ortho-K right now, or at least get an assessment
    from the people who supply Ortho-K, about your
    prospects.

    Why not?

    Best,

    Otis
     
    otisbrown, Aug 3, 2006
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  3. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest


    I may not need orthoK in the first place if my cycloplegic refraction
    is near plano. This would mean my myopia is not real and just
    accomodative stress due to the wretched minus lens. I will then begin
    plus lens to clear my vision. Likley, my cycloplegic is going to be
    around -3 like the optometrists here think. OrthoK then will get me
    down to -1.5 where I will see good enough not to need glasses 90% of
    the time :)
     
    acemanvx, Aug 3, 2006
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  4. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest


    With one eye at a time and wearing my manifest refraction glasses,
    things start to blur at about a foot and a half. Binoculary, it
    increases my field of depth and 18 inches is comfortable, I can zoom
    down to 8-10 inches but cant keep it there for long, too much strain as
    I max out my accomodation. Either I have presbyopia or my cycloplegic
    refraction is alot less than my -5 manifest in the worse eye. I have
    very little problem seeing clear from near with my -3.25 computer
    glasses.
     
    acemanvx, Aug 3, 2006
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  5. acemanvx

    retinula Guest

    because its a stupid approach. but what else would we expect from you?

    orthoK really is not straight-forward. i know quite a few patients who
    can't tolerate the lenses. i think there are as many failures as there
    are successes. ace wouldn't know because he has only read web sites.
    you wouldn't know because you don't understand the physiology of the
    eye and your information base is circa 1950's.

    atropine is not hazardous if used in the hands of a professional .
    sure you can find horror statements about the adverse effects of
    atropine toxicity, but you can also find negativees to using plus
    lenses as you propose too-- and of course we know that you just ignor
    that! who cares if somebody gets diplopia trying a disproven approach
    to myopia preventionl right?
     
    retinula, Aug 3, 2006
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  6. acemanvx

    otisbrown Guest

    For AceMan,

    The Majority-opinion on Ortho-K

    Ret> orthoK really is not straight-forward. i know quite a few
    patients who
    can't tolerate the lenses. i think there are as many failures as there

    are successes.

    Ret> ace wouldn't know because he has only read web sites.
    you wouldn't know because you don't understand the physiology of the
    eye and your information base is circa 1950's.

    So there you have it. Ortho-K is a bad idea, accorting to Retinula.

    The second-opinion maintains that Ortho-K is wonderful.

    Otis
     
    otisbrown, Aug 3, 2006
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  7. acemanvx

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear AceMan,

    Subject: "Picky People" who complain about being emmetropic. (You
    know who)

    If I had 20/20 in one eye, and 20/30 in the other eye -- as passed the
    DMV with
    flying colors -- I think that would be wonderful.

    I am, however very sympathetic with the ODs who deal with "picky"
    people with that type of vision. Everyone wants that 20/15 vision --
    and the secondary consequences never appear on the radar screen.

    You can hardly blame the M.O. ODs for "filling" or "servicing" that
    type of person with a strong minus -- either them, or their children.
    This is the exact statement of Dr. Rapahelson.

    But by now I thnk you know the consequence of doing something like
    that. The blind leading the blind I suppose. Everything is immediate
    "quick-fix" and the devil take the hindmost.

    Gool luck on your atropine measurement. I think it will show the same
    value as your "subjective" measurement shows. But let us know.

    Best,

    Otis
     
    otisbrown, Aug 3, 2006
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  8. acemanvx

    retinula Guest

    otis blurted out the following:
    "The second-opinion maintains that Ortho-K is wonderful. "

    do you speak for the "second opinion"?

    exactly who IS the second opinion? from what I can tell, its you, some
    guy named Steve Leung who has a cheesy website and lives in Hong Kong,
    and some old retired and deceased optometrists.

    tell us what you think is good about orthoK compared to "the wretched
    minus".

    ===========
     
    retinula, Aug 3, 2006
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  9. Now THAT was really funny! Perfect!

     
    William Stacy, Aug 3, 2006
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  10. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest

    Tomorrow morning I get atropine, how long will it take before I
    experience mydrisis? Ciliary muscle paralysis? How long before complete
    cycloplegia is achieved?
     
    acemanvx, Aug 3, 2006
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  11. acemanvx

    serebel Guest



    How long will you stay retarded? Tune in to tomorrow's
    episode..............
     
    serebel, Aug 4, 2006
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  12. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest

    Once I get orthoK, it is likley I will be very happy. Ill spread the
    word so people choose orthoK instead of risky lasik! Those who already
    had lasik can tell their friends to get orthoK instead
     
    acemanvx, Aug 10, 2006
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