Doctors support PREVENTIVE methods -- for free.

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by otisbrown, May 22, 2007.

  1. otisbrown

    otisbrown Guest

    You hear the majority opinion, that a negative
    refractive STATE of the eye CAN NOT BE PREVENTED.

    Do not believe it.

    If fact second-opinion professionals (like Bates) do not believe
    it either.

    Here are a group that provide preventive information
    for FREE.

    Be wise! Understand! And if you
    are not to "deep" into nearsighedness,
    perhaps you can clear your Snellen by these

    Just one man's opinion.

    otisbrown, May 22, 2007
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    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    Good one, Otis. *guffaw*

    Dr. Leukoma, May 22, 2007
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    Neil Brooks Guest

    You are TREMENDOUSLY "deep into it," Uncle Otie.

    Why did you hurt your niece? Don't you love her??

    I mean ... if you take CREDIT for a supposed "success" with your
    nephew, Keith, then aren't you also responsible for his sister's
    myopia?? You treated them both the same, now didn't you, Doctor

    Don't you love her??
    Neil Brooks, May 22, 2007
  4. otisbrown

    DoctorRick Guest

    Great! Everyone who wants to follow Otis' fantasy rant about
    preventing refractive error with plus lenses, faith, relaxation, or
    whatever please follow the link. Otis, just go along with your new
    recruits and don't come back.

    You are a pathetic old troll.
    DoctorRick, May 22, 2007
  5. otisbrown

    otisbrown Guest

    Statement by the second-opinion doctors for
    honest preventive methods.

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    Q: Why doesn't my eye doctor prescribe eye exercises?

    A: Almost all optometric colleges and medical schools are heavily
    by the optical glass industry for the purpose of training eye doctors
    how to
    prescribe and sell corrective lenses. This means that most eye doctors
    no interest in helping patients reduce their dependency on these
    Not surprisingly, some eye doctors regard therapeutic eye exercises as
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    Q: The eyes are constantly moving. Why do they need exercising?

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    otisbrown, May 22, 2007
  6. otisbrown

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    This appears to be the system formerly known as the "See Clearly
    Method." More information can be found here in Quack Watch:

    The company was the target of an investigation by the Iowa Attorney
    General's office and resulted in a settlement.

    One cannot take anything Otis says for granted.

    Dr. Leukoma, May 22, 2007
  7. otisbrown

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    Yes, a negative refractive state CAN be prevented with the use of
    ATROPINE on a daily basis. The use of atropine is accompanied by many
    unpleasant side-effects, which makes it impractical to use.

    Sugar pills have been found to be effective in the treatment of
    medical conditions. This is called the PLACEBO EFFECT. This is why
    ALL studies of new drugs must be conducted against a placebo. It's
    called a controlled study. Under those conditions, the plus lens
    treatment advocated by OTIS has not been shown to be effective.

    Dr. Leukoma, May 22, 2007
  8. otisbrown

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    This appears to be the system formerly known as the "See Clearly
    Method." More information can be found here in Quack Watch:

    The company was the target of an investigation by the Iowa Attorney
    General's office and resulted in a settlement.

    One cannot take anything Otis says for granted.

    Dr. Leukoma, May 22, 2007
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    Neil Brooks Guest

    [David DeAngelis's marketing clap-trap handily snipped]

    Amazing. Just when your credibility strikes new lows, you begin
    randomly quoting sales-pitch material from random websites.

    Otis, don't you understand that--when you RAIL against eye doctors as
    profiting from the status quo .... all the while quoting people
    (Leung, Deakins, YOU) who are ALSO TRYING TO PROFIT ... that you look
    like a hypocrite AND a moron (not that stopping the former would
    affect the latter, by the way)?

    YOU are the greatest proof for my continued presence on this board:
    there truly ARE people who believe that--if it appears on the
    Internet--then it must be true.

    Neil Brooks, May 22, 2007
  10. otisbrown

    Neil Brooks Guest

    It's also preserved--typically with Benzalkonium Chloride--a proven
    cytotoxic chemical.

    So ... while effective ... it doesn't seem safe.

    That means it's one for two. STILL better than what Elevator Boy is
    pushing, though ;-)
    Neil Brooks, May 22, 2007
  11. otisbrown

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    This appears to be the system formerly known as the "See Clearly
    Method." More information can be found here in Quack Watch:

    The company was the target of an investigation by the Iowa Attorney
    General's office and resulted in a settlement.

    One cannot take anything Otis says for granted.

    Dr. Leukoma, May 22, 2007
  12. otisbrown

    otisbrown Guest

    You asked for scientific publication that:

    1. The fundamental eye is dynamic, with respect to
    CHANGE in accommodation, and

    2. Published report supporting both scientific and
    clinical studies to that effect.

    Yes, Doctors do support these methods. And Majority-opinion
    optometrists HATE the concept of the dynamic behavior
    of the natural eye, and the this type of published
    scientific research.

    Of course you can ignore it, get a strong minus,
    and get stair-case myopia....

    Yes, Bates was correct, that a negative refractive
    STATE could be prevented -- as the second-opinion.

    Read and enjoy,



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  13. otisbrown

    p.clarkii Guest

    otis you idiot. of course the ability of the eye to accommodate
    constitutes a dynamic ability. no one argues that with you. and
    inappropriate accommodation can cause pseudomyopia that might in fact
    be able to be relaxed over time by various methods. but the degree of
    pseudomyopia that a person has is seldom very large and naturally
    diminishes with age. so whats your point? so you did a literature
    search and found some references and simply pasted them here. so

    so if you believe that the use of minus lenses induces myopia, do you
    think it is real anatomical myopia where the eye elongates? at what
    age do you think these changes can occur? so how come studies where
    excessive minus lens power is purposely used on human children (not
    monkeys, or chickens, or shrews) do NOT result in accelerated myopia?
    so how come uncorrected hyperopes, who accommodate 24/7, do not begin
    to move to a more myopic (=less hyperopic) state? and how come myopic
    patients who are purposely undercorrected so they don't have to
    accommodate as much to read (physiolgically equivalent to a reduced
    reading distance) actually accelerate in their myopia development?
    and how come all the studies using bifocals and plus lenses and
    removing myopic glasses to read DO NOT impact myopia development in
    the slightest? why can't you see the overwhelming evidence against
    your simple-minded concept of myopia development?

    not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed are you otis?

    now don't run off and start posting again in a different thread as if
    you didn't see these questions. answer them. you constantly dodge
    questions when you get stumped.
    p.clarkii, May 24, 2007
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