double vision issues, how to correct

Discussion in 'Eye-Care' started by Richard, May 24, 2004.

  1. Richard

    Richard Guest

    My history is as follows, 33 male, vision perfect until mid 20's when
    I started seeing double. Each eye is 20 20 on its own. My right eye
    has objects appearing slightly below the left. For example, when
    reading a newspaper 2 feet away the text would appear about one line
    below where it should be. Consequently reading isn't so pleasurable
    as I do it with only my left. I've tried prisms in glasses yet that
    only works for a few seconds and then the objects separate as they
    would without the glasses. Increasing the prism strength didn't seem
    to matter. The really odd part occurs at night when my blue vcr
    clock, which is at least 12 feet away at the far end of the bed, comes
    in perfectly. I noticed this was the case 6 months ago and it happens
    anytime near complete darkness exists. If I try turning on a bedside
    light or even strong flashlight the double vision kicks in and the
    'time' literally starts separating in front of me. As soon as a
    sufficient level of darkness exists (turning the light off) I can seem
    to bring the times back together to form one. It seems obvious that
    my eyes can't have more than one target or distraction.

    So, that being said, I'm confident my problem isn't muscular or
    physical as I wouldn't ever be able to experience clear binocular
    vision in any circumstance. On the other hand, I can't seem to fix it
    during normal conditions. I've heard there are convergence exercises
    and would like to know which types to do ( if any will help ) or who
    to see. I'm in the Toronto area. Two optometrists I've been to over
    the years have both indicated there was nothing I could do, very
    frustrating to hear that one.


    Richard, May 24, 2004
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    cavaliers Guest

    Hallo Richard,
    I have double vision from Graves' eye disease, and the prisms work only
    'alrightish' for me. The separation that you mention is very difficult to
    Why do think this problem is not a muscle problem? Each eye has six muscles
    which have to work in total harmony. Have you considered eye muscle

    I would not be confident getting advice from optometrists alone. Can you
    get a referral to an ophthalmologist who is familiar with your particular
    problem?Perhaps? A Graves' eye disease specialist would may be able to give
    you some answers.
    Kindest regards,
    (west coast of Canada)
    cavaliers, May 25, 2004
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  3. If you see single in the dark when fixating on the central area, but double
    when the lights are on, it sounds like there is a disparity between your
    central (macular) vision, and the peripheral vision.

    Most people with traditional muscle alignment issues are the opposite. They
    get better fusion in the light, since peripheral fusion is stronger than
    central fusion. Their problems get worse when they lose the peripheral
    fusion targets, such as when driving in the dark, and then they get doble
    vision looking at headlights, for example.

    You may have macular heterotopia (displacement or dragging) due to some
    retina problem. If this is so, there is no prism solution - they act as you
    said, seeing better for a few seconds, then the double comes back. Reason
    is, there is no way to move the central macular vision separately from the
    peripheral vision. In such cases, once the diagnosis is established, a
    "solution" is to blur the image in one eye just enough so the macular vision
    is not fusing with the other eye. This blur is not so much that it
    interferes with the peripheral fusion mechanism. Graded blurring is achieved
    through fogging filters such as the Bangerter foils.

    In any case, the reason for this needs to be worked out. If your 2
    optometrists have not figured it out, see someone else. Someone who
    specializes in double vision would be preferable. They may need help from a
    retina specialist in case it is a macular dragging problem.

    David Robins, MD
    Board certified Ophthalmologist
    Pediatric and strabismus subspecialty
    Member of AAPOS
    (American Academy of Pediatric Ophthalmology and Strabismus)
    David Robins, MD, May 25, 2004
  4. Richard

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    (Richard) wrote in

    I will assume for the purposes of this discussion that covering one eye
    eliminates the diplopia, and therefore you have binocular diplopia, not
    monocular diplopia.

    From your description, it appears as though you have a hyperdeviation, i.e.
    one eye points higher, or lower than the other. It sounds like your right
    eye points higher because it displaces objects lower. One of the most
    common causes of vertical diplopia is a paretic superior oblique muscle,
    which in ennervated by the fourth cranial nerve. The primary action of
    this muscle is depression, the minor action is intorsion. Also, this
    muscle's primary action varies with gaze. This means that the elevation
    will not be constant, or will be more severe in certain positions of gaze.
    People with this problem will have an increase in symptoms when they tilt
    their head toward the shoulder on the side of the affected eye, or look in
    the opposite direction. If your right eye is affected, then tilting your
    head toward your right shoulder should make the diplopia worse. The double
    vision would also be expected to be worse when looking down, i.e. when
    reading. This is one of the reasons why prism doesn't work very well. The
    power of the prism is only effective within a narrow range of positions of

    This may or may not be accurate in your case.

    Dr. Leukoma, May 25, 2004
  5. Richard

    Richard Guest

    Hi Diana,

    I'm a total novice and that is perhaps my reason for saying it is not
    muscular, only since I can see perfectly in certain circumstances. If
    I wasn't able to see perfectly at all then I'd be more inclined to
    think muscles may be the issue. Regardless, thank you very much for
    your input, I'd love to figure a solution out soon. Surgery I'm not
    sure about since the deviance is so very small the risks are likely
    not worth it, surgery could easily make it worse I'm guessing.

    I'll have to look into ophthalmologists who know about double vision
    in the Toronto area, if anybody readying this knows of a good source
    to start with please let me know.

    Richard, May 25, 2004
  6. Hallo Richard, you are fortunate.

    I have the solution for you.


    Your problem is solved by LEARNING TO LOOK AT THE SUN.

    For doing this you first have to discard glasses, contacts, or

    Then you have to learn how to look at the sun.

    First, start by getting accustomed to strong electric light.

    Then, go outdoors and learn how to look at the sky, opposite to the

    Then, start to look to the part of the sky where the sun lies.

    Then, start to look more closely to the sun.

    If you continue with the practice, you will see that in few weeks the
    sun won't give you any discomfort.

    Then you can start the real thing, which is sun-gazing.

    Gaze as much as you can, without discomfort. Five minutes, ten
    minutes, half an hour.

    You will see that your eyesight will be again in balance in few days.

    Don't follow the advice of idiotic doctors that know nothing about
    vision, as you have had the opportunity to check for your own case.

    If interested, please visit, or write to
    me privately.
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, May 25, 2004

  7. I have given to you the source.

    Now you prove yourself intelligent and follow it.
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, May 25, 2004

  8. The fact that the man can see perfectly well in SOME CIRCUSTANCES,
    perfectly contrary to what is commonly observed, does not raise any
    question to this strange doctor who seems to know everything but is a
    great ignorant indeed!
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, May 25, 2004
  9. dated 25 May 2004 11:57:22 -0700,
    Try this yourself first, signore Rishi Giovanni Gatti.
    Gilbert Mouget, May 26, 2004
  10. On the contrary - this circumstantial vision situation is a well known
    problem, and is not treated by burning out one's foveas by staring at the
    sun, which is very dangerous indeed.
    David Robins, MD, May 26, 2004
  11. Now I have proof of your full stupidity.

    I can look at the sun (not stare) for half an hour without any after image.

    So, you are an idiot, speaking things without knowledge of the actual facts.

    You are anti-scientific.

    Please resign.
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, May 26, 2004
  12. I do it regularly whenever the sun shines.

    Mind well that if the sun is shy, with clouds, I do not do it because it
    is boring.

    Best results are on midday.

    If you give me your email address I can send a picture.
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, May 26, 2004
  13. Richard

    The Real Bev Guest

    Good luck with your problem, Richard. When you have time, check out one
    of the posts under the subject "Welcome to". The level
    of loon activity rises and falls, and this seems to be a particularly
    active period.
    The Real Bev, May 27, 2004
  14. I you stare at the sun, you are guaranteed to burn a spot onto the retina,
    the same way any schoolboy knows that he can burn a bug with a magnifying
    glass. It is no different. You are advocating an extremely dangerous
    activity, which shows your total, inept and dangerous recommendations, and
    you should be banned from giving such dangerous advise that some gullible
    fool might follow, and end up peramantly damaging their vision. I have seen
    many examples of this, especially at eclipse times, when peole tend to stare
    at that phenomenon.

    You have proven why you should get off of this group.

    You are the most insulting of any person I have ever talked too, without any
    understanding of basic medical physiology. I DO KNOW the actual facts, since
    I have seen the unfortunate results of people staring at the sun.

    Too bad, I have just made the grievous error of feeding a troll...
    David Robins, MD, May 27, 2004
  15. Richard

    CHip Guest

    It's scary to think someone could recommend staring into the sun. But
    I'm not a doctor so what do I know. Just for another point of
    information, I have diplopia when I'm very tired. Several years
    ago I had LASIK. It left me farsighted in my right eye. I wear
    glasses now. The right lens magnifies images a lot more than the
    left. My eyes seem to work hard at bringing the left and right eye
    into one image. When I'm tired the muscles weaken and the diplopia
    starts. Sometimes I've taped one eye closed to be able to work
    without the annoyance of double vision. I don't know how this might
    apply to your problem but I thought it was worth a mention. No less
    useless than the suggestions about staring into the sun. :)
    CHip, May 27, 2004
  16. Dear friend,
    to look at the sun is different than to stare at it.

    However, since you had LASIK, it is impossible for you to learn to look
    at the sun. Forget about it.

    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, May 27, 2004
  17. Please don't you feel offended.

    This is a free newsgroup and I think that I have the right to respond to
    insults with other insults as well.

    People with normal sight can look at the sun very easily.

    People with imperfect sight cannot do it, but can learn it again if they
    start to practice accordingly.

    People operated upon with butchery procedures like LASIK, are most
    unfortunate because their situation is irreversible.
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, May 27, 2004
  18. Richard

    cavaliers Guest

    Hallo Richard,

    You could this link :

    Perhaps this ophthy could recommend a suitable ophthy for your particular
    problem. I hope you find a resolution to your situation.
    Kindest regards,
    cavaliers, May 28, 2004
  19. Richard

    Ann Guest

    I can't. If I look at any bright light, I sneeze.

    Ann, May 30, 2004
  20. It occourred to me also, it is a sign of strain.

    If you are interested in learning more about vision and the cure of
    imperfect sight by treatment without glasses, contacts or surgery,
    please visit or write to me privately.
    You can also subscribe to where you can
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    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, May 30, 2004
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