Dr. Bates: The Effect of the Minus on the Eye's Refractive STATE

Discussion in 'Eye-Care' started by otisbrown, Mar 30, 2008.

  1. otisbrown

    otisbrown Guest

    Subject: Is Dr. Bates, right or wrong? About the
    effect of a minus on the natural eye?

    Science is never merely knowledge; it is orderly knowledge.

    Josiah Royce

    Arguments are to be avoided. They are always vulgar -- and
    often convincing.

    Oscar Wilde

    This is Dr. Bates' statement about his reason for his
    opposing the use of a minus lens on an eye that is slightly

    I believe that the parents should be aware of the proven
    effect that the minus lens has on the refractive state of the
    eye, as stated by Dr. Bates.

    It is intellectually short-sighted continue to deny the
    proven effect that a minus lens has on the natural eye's
    refractive STATE -- as a scientific concept.

    Objection to the over-prescribed minus -- is the


    From Chapter 8 by Dr. Bates

    (Clarifying statement added -- minus lens)

    ...That (minus-lens) glasses must injure the eye is evident
    from the facts given in the preceding chapter. One cannot see
    through them unless one produces the degree of refractive error
    which they are designed to correct.

    But refractive errors, in the eye which is left to itself,
    are never constant. If one secures good vision by the aid of
    concave, lenses, therefore, it means that one is maintaining
    constantly a degree of refractive error which otherwise would not
    be maintained constantly. It is only to be expected that this
    should make the condition worse, and it is a matter of common
    experience that it does.

    After people once begin to wear (minus-lens) glasses their
    strength, in most cases, has to be steadily increased in order to
    maintain the degree of visual acuity secured by the aid of the
    first pair...

    A person with myopia of 20/70 who puts on glasses giving him
    a vision of 20/20 may find that in a week's time his unaided
    vision has declined to 20/200.

    We have the testimony of Dr. Sidler-Huguenin, of Zurich,
    that of the thousands of myopes treated by him the majority grew
    steadily worse, in spite of all the skill he could apply to the
    fitting of (minus-lens) glasses for them. When people break their
    glasses and go without them for a week or two, they frequently
    observe that their sight has improved. As a matter of fact the
    sight always improves, to a greater or less degree, when glasses
    are discarded, although the fact may not always be noted.

    That the human eye resents (minus lens) glasses is a fact
    which no one would attempt to deny. **

    Every oculist knows that patients have to "get used" to them,
    and that sometimes they never succeed in doing so. Patients with
    high degrees of myopia have a great difficulty in accustoming
    themselves to the full correction, and often are never able to do

    The strong concave glasses required by myopes of high degree
    make all objects seem much smaller than they really are...

    These are unpleasantness that cannot be overcome...

    All glasses contract the field of vision to a greater or less
    degree. Even with very weak glasses patients are unable to see
    distinctly unless they look through the center of the lenses, with
    the frames at right angles to the line of vision; and their vision
    lowered if they fail to do this ...

    As for putting (minus-lens) glasses upon a child it is enough
    to make the angels weep.

    Dr. William H. Bates, Ophthalmologist



    ** Except that they do. Witness the adverse reactions here on



    The task of science is both to extend the range of our
    experience and to reduce it to order, and this task presents
    various aspects inseparable connected with one another. Only by
    experience itself do we come to recognize those laws which grant
    us a comprehensive view of the diversity of phenomena. As our
    knowledge becomes wider, we must even be prepared therefore to
    expect alterations in the point of view best suited for the
    ordering of experience.

    Niels Bohr,
    "Atomic Theory and the Description of Nature."
    otisbrown, Mar 30, 2008
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    Neil Brooks Guest

    More fiction.
    Neil Brooks, Mar 30, 2008
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  3. otisbrown

    Zetsu Guest

    Arguments are to be avoided. They are always vulgar -- and
    Actually, debate often leads to intellectual progress.
    It's true that arguments can divide people, but arguments help people
    to know where they stand and to make an analysis of the scenario. If
    there were never any arguments, one may deduce that everyone has the
    same opinion on everything. What kind of a world would it be if
    everyone agreed on everything? Boring
    Actually, Dr. Bates opposed the use of a minus lens on ANY eyes.
    Slightly nearsighted or very nearsighted is not relevant.
    Actually, Dr. Bates was describing the effect of ANY lenses. Minus
    lens, plus lens, astigmatic corrective lens, etc. He was impartial on
    what kind of lens is in use, but stated that they are ALL detrimental
    to the sight.

    You are twisting his words, Otis!

    Can't you just stick to Dr Raphaelson and leave poor Dr. Bates alone?
    Imagine how much he is suffering right now in his grave knowing how
    his statements have been corrupted with wrong interpretation! Gosh!
    Zetsu, Mar 30, 2008
  4. otisbrown

    p.clarkii Guest

    what a nice story. is there any proof for this? published reports,
    independent verification, publication in peer-reviewed journals? Or
    is it just supposition? it just SOUNDS like is has to be right. Too
    bad you have to prove it, and when various researchers have looked at
    various aspects of this (intentionally using overminusing, using no
    spectacles at all, etc.) there appears to be no detrimental effects of
    using glasses-- they just help people see better.
    p.clarkii, Mar 31, 2008
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