Floaters Hope?

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by nobody, Feb 11, 2004.

  1. nobody

    nobody Guest

    Hi,

    I have been suffering with floaters since my early to mid teens, I'm
    now in my early 20s. When I was first diagnosed the Ophthalmologist
    seemed to shrug it off and told me I'd "learn to focus past them" (Oh,
    the wonders of modern medicine!). I don't know whether they improved
    or whether I just got used to them but things got better after a
    while. The thing is I have started noticing them again, a lot. If I
    look at a well lit white surface I can see a load of them floating
    about.

    I have read everything I can find on the web about floaters (i.e. not
    very much) and have found the current state of affairs extremely
    disheartening.

    Basically, what I'd like to know is, is there any hope for improvement?
    Is there any research being done into the causes and possible treatment
    of floaters? Could things natually improve over time? The prospect of
    going through the rest of my life with this and the tinnitus I was
    diagnosed with around the same time is not very appealing.

    Thanks.
     
    nobody, Feb 11, 2004
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    Otis Brown Guest

    Dear "me",

    Just for background. Do you have 20/20?

    Or are you myopic. If so, to what extent.

    These floaters do not tend to develop until you
    are 50 or 60. In a young person they
    are rare.

    Best,

    Otis
    Engineer
     
    Otis Brown, Feb 14, 2004
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    drfrank21 Guest


    You're somewhat young to be having floaters to the point of being
    symptomatic.
    Do you have them in both eyes? What caused your tinnitus, BTW (noise
    induced?) ?

    Usually people will habituate to floaters much easier than habituating
    to tinnitus
    (speaking from a personal standpoint- my own floaters are the least of
    my worries but
    the tinnitus is a bear to deal with). There are no effective
    treatments for floaters
    other than an invasive procedure (vitrectomy) which is a risky
    procedure in my
    mind. As far as the tinnitus goes, you should get an eval with an ENT
    who has
    experience in this field; there are some meds and other options
    (maskers)
    that can possibly be of help.

    frank
     
    drfrank21, Feb 14, 2004
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  4. That is not true. I could see floaters at an early age. You need to know
    what to look for. They were unobtrusive.

    It is also possible to get large and optically dense floaters at a later
    age. I got those too. They are usually a sign of possibly serious eye
    trouble.

    Bill
     
    Repeating Rifle, Feb 14, 2004
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  5. nobody

    nobody Guest

    Yes. I haven't had an eye test recently but I don't have any noticeable
    problems with my vision (apart from the aforementioned). When I was
    diagnosed initially no problems were found with my vision.
     
    nobody, Feb 14, 2004
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  6. nobody

    nobody Guest

    Yes, both eyes. The most noticeable one is in my right eye though. I'm
    not really worried about them being a symptom of something else, it's
    just that I went for such a long time without noticing them (or them
    being there, I have no idea) and now they seem to be back with a
    vengeance. I'm worried that they'll either never go away or, worst case
    scenario, get even worse. This combined with the fact that nobody seems
    to be doing any research into floaters leads me to despair. The only
    discussion group I've found on the subject seems to be populated solely
    with quacks and idiots touting various "all natural herbal remedies".

    I have no idea what caused my tinnitus. I used to listen to music loud
    on headphones when I was younger but what kid doesn't?
     
    nobody, Feb 14, 2004
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  7. nobody

    nobody Guest

    How did you come to this conclusion?
     
    nobody, Feb 14, 2004
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  8. nobody

    nobody Guest

    Excuse my ignorance but what do newton rings have to do with floaters?
     
    nobody, Feb 14, 2004
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  9. nobody

    drfrank21 Guest

    What the hell does this have to do with anything? And do you mean
    corrected or uncorrected??Your agenda is going way over the top Otis;
    what, your next step is to imply that if the poster wasn't "poisoned"
    by minus lenses he would not have floaters??


    Actually they can be more common than you think at younger ages- being
    symptomatic
    with floaters at this age is more unusual.

    frank
     
    drfrank21, Feb 14, 2004
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  10. Just look and see or yourself!

    Bill
     
    Repeating Rifle, Feb 15, 2004
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  11. I don't know if I would call these Newton rings although they do look
    similar. An erythrocyte in the vitreous humor is a circuylar stop that
    produces a diffraction pattern called an Airy pattern. Because white light
    is a range of frequencies, each color provides its own Airy pattern. This
    pattern is very similar to a Newton ring pattern. There will be some dark
    rings in one color that will allow a bright ring of another color to show up
    there.

    Bill
     
    Repeating Rifle, Feb 15, 2004
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  12. Many years ago, Harvey White IIRC coauthor with Francis Jenkins of the
    rather famous "Fundamentals of Optics", was in the hospital with some eye
    problem. He used angular diffraction of erythrocites, red blood cells, to
    study some of the effects. It was written up in the Scientific American. My
    guess is that it was in the 1960's.

    Bill
     
    Repeating Rifle, Feb 15, 2004
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  13. That is true. But every now and then one does show up. When it does, the
    airy pattern is quite distinctive. The number of distintive rings will
    depend upon how far away they are from the retina.

    Bill
     
    Repeating Rifle, Feb 15, 2004
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  14. I should have also pointed out that fresnel diffraction patterns ar also
    possibble if the object, perhaps an erythrocyte is so close to the retina
    that the far field airy pattern is not formed. It will then appear that
    circular shadows ar formed with fresnel fringes near the edges of the
    shadow.

    Bill
     
    Repeating Rifle, Feb 15, 2004
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  15. nobody

    nobody Guest

    Just because I have them doesn't automatically mean everyone else does. And
    even if everyone else has them doesn't necessarily mean they have them to
    the extent that I do.
     
    nobody, Feb 15, 2004
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    nobody Guest

    None of the floaters I see are circular and they don't have any rings
    around them, they look like this:

    http://eyedocs.us/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/floater.jpg
     
    nobody, Feb 15, 2004
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    drfrank21 Guest


    I have presbyopic and hyperopic patients just as symptomatic as myopeswhen dealing
    with floaters, especially pvd's. And these are different than noticing the entopic
    phenonemon. I mentioned this because the next step for Otis would have been
    going into his myopic prevention crusade.

    frank
     
    drfrank21, Feb 15, 2004
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  18. Everyone has them.

    Bill
     
    Repeating Rifle, Feb 16, 2004
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  19. Of course I cannot tell what other people see. It does seem to me, however,
    that it is less likely for presbyopic and hyperopic patients to ger sharp
    shadows upon the retina.

    Bill
     
    Repeating Rifle, Feb 16, 2004
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    Frostypaw Guest

    I thought that type of floater was particles on the eye's surface not
    in it... they move when I blink and are sometimes obviously fibres
    from a jumper I've been wearing or the like.

    Certainly very mobile for something in the vitreous.

    Two seconds on google gives: http://www.eyefloaters.com/ offering
    non-invasive laser based treatment.

    quote:
    Almost always the patient will be told that nothing can be done to
    help their floaters.
    But in reality, laser disruption of the floaters in experienced hands
    is a simple, in-office procedure. (see Our Procedure page)
    The floaters can be treated in a 20 minute laser procedure in which
    there is no discomfort and no limitation of activities.

    So yes, there's hope for mr Nobody.

    iain
     
    Frostypaw, Feb 16, 2004
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