Hoya and Essilor are the same thing?

Was wondering if Hoya and Essilor is the same.
Thanks

 

Hardly. One is Japanese and the other is French. There is an Essilor
facility within 10 minutes of my office, and there is a Hoya facility
within 10 minutes of my office in the other direction.

DrG

 

Dr. Leukoma ha scritto:

According you, which one is better?

 

Wich is better, Mercedes or BMW ?
TMHO both make excellent products as Hoya and Essilor do.

 

Jan ha scritto:

Ok, thanks, presume both excellent

 

Where have _you_ been?

I think there have been some changes since you last posted

 

Yes, there are and I think I might thank you for your part in having beating
the retread of an irritating person in this newsgroup.
Many thanks!

 

No. Each company makes a wide range of lens designs which vary from mediocre
to excellent in design quality. Don't misinterpret the Mercedes vs. BMW
comment.

Essilor is a large company which has several subsidiary brands like Varilux,
which is their premium brand of progressives. Essilor progressives are
mid-quality.

In addition to the lens design, the lens material plays a factor in quality.
Unfortunately, the thinner the lens, the worse the optical quality. Polycarb
is the worst lens material on the planet from an optical quality standpoint
(except for real Coke bottles).

However some lens designs can be relatively thin with decent optical
quality, such as fully aspheric and atoric designs.

 

As are Mercedes and BMW making a wide range of different type of cars.

Is not possible.

Both Hoya and Essilor are making glasses in different qualities, no mistake.
I think when you take the top products of both companies you might say they
are both excellent.
BTW, Essilor has invented the multifocal glasses and the first company
making multifocals.

 

I think that when you are answering a question from a consumer about
Essilor, you should be very careful. For the vast majority of consumers,
Essilor and Varilux are two different brands. Even though Essilor makes some
very good lenses sold as the Varilux brand, the Essilor branded lenses tend
to be of lesser quality.

 

Mark, it is quit simple, Essilor is just a manufactor of glasses, included
the several excellent types of Varilux multifocal lenses, nothing more
nothing less.

 

Not to a consumer. If a consumer goes to an optician and the optician tells
them the lenses are Essilor, then they are not Varilux. Varilux is a
different brand name than Essilor, at least in the US.

 

Well there is the problem. In the UK,and probably Europe, Essilor sells and
markets only Varilux lenses (ignoring their range of SV and BV lenses).
Essilor being the company name and Varilux being their brand name for PALs.

Regards


Ian Hodgson - Isle of Man

 

What about Italy? It appears that the OP is from Italy.

In the US, many large optical chains use Essilor branded lenses (like the
Ovation), but some of them rebrand them with their own name. In the recent
past this has included Lenscrafters (which called them Featherwates),
although they may have switched sourcing recently, I am not sure.

Getting back to the auto company analogy (which I do not like), the company
that makes the Mercedes-Benz brand is now called DaimlerChrysler, and they
make Chrysler branded vehicles that are not the same quality as
Mercedes-Benz, and not the same quality as BMW brand (Let's not get into
what other brands that BMW owns). Such analogies are meaningless for large
companies like Essilor that own several different brands.

In a similar way, Essilor branded lenses are not the same quality as Varilux
branded lenses, even though both are owned by Essilor.

 

Mark A ha scritto:

Yes, it is. Anyway I purchased a couple of Essilor lens
exactly "Essilor Orma 15 (1.5) each 90 Eur (!).

Was wondering if Hoya was better in that price range.

 

There are 2 main factors to consider in a lens. One is the lens model (or
design) and the other is the material.

Orma is Essilor's version of CR39 or regular plastic. Almost all lens
designs from every manufacturer, from low end to high end, come in multiple
materials (or indexes) including 1.50 regular plastic. 1.50 Plastic is fine
for a low or mild power prescription, but for higher power prescriptions it
may be a bit thick and heavy compared to higher index materials. However,
1.50 plastic has just about the best optical quality of any material
commonly available if you don't mind the weight and thickness.

With regard to the lens design (which is different than the lens material),
you did not specify the type of lens (single vision, progressive, etc). For
single vision lenses with 1.50 plastic and a relatively low power lens,
there is very little difference in quality from one brand to another. Other
factors such as the brand of the anti-reflective coating (if applicable) are
more important than the brand of lens. For example, Crizal is high end AR
coating.

If you have moderate to high power progressive lenses, the quality of the
lens design can make a noticeable difference. Hoya makes mid-quality and
high-end progressive designs. The Essilor brand of progressives is
mid-quality, and the Varilux brand (owned by Essilor) is high-end. The
quality of AR coatings is also important for progressives.

 

Mark A ha scritto:

singlevision
sphere value -3,5

thanks

 

Any brand lens with CR-39 1.50 index would be about the same quality from
all manufacturers. The biggest difference will be the coatings. If you got
Cirzal AR coating on your Essilor lenses, that is a very durable coating
compared to most.

If you want a lighter lens, you might see if you can find Sola lenses with
Spectralite material (1.54 index).

 

In US, what I was told by someone from Pearle Vision was that the
manufacturer of Varilux lens is Essilor.

BTW, people from Eye Design where I found a frame I like (and bought
it) told me that the fitting height requirement for Varilux Panamic is
16mm. Of course, the fitting height for me for that frame was measured
to be 18 mm - by the first person I dealt with after buying the frame -
and then when I went back later, it was 17 mmm, measured by the manager
who said she always does 1mm less so that people wouldn't have to lower
their chin, etc. I thought that was dumb explanation since we're
talking about pogressive lens.

I was reluctant to believe their explanation and (fiitn gheight
requirement for Panamic which I remembered it to be 18 mm) and so still
hasn't done it yet.

I saw the same frame at framesdirect.com (for $70 less) and talked
with someone there on the phone and was told, even before I gave here
fitting height, that that frames won't work for Varilux Panamic and was
suggested to do Varilux comfort for that frame. I wanted Panamic and
alos wasn't going to do it online in case I needed adjustment on
fititng height.

I went back to that eye place yesterday and the same manager suggested
that I should go for Varilux Comfort telling me that the first time
wearer of Varilux use that one. her words aroused my supicion. I just
read online at Varilux website that Varilux Panamic is used for first
time progressive wearer. (I feel that the manager's aware that I have
been using progressive lens and hence avoided using the term and only
used the term *first time wearer*.


Yesterday, I went to Eye design to inquire about doing computer eye
glasses using an old frame (actually, I never used that frame after I
bought it 3-4 years ago and it's still brand new) but when she
suggested me to do Sola Access w/o giving me straight about the lens
material, I decided to come home and do research on line about That
name she said. Before heading home, I stopped by at the place where I
got exam exam done - I couldn't find the frame I like there - and
inquired and learned that they would use polycarbonate. I also learned
that Sola Access is polycarbonate. I wouldn't go for polycarbonate and
also decided that I should get a bigger frame for computer eye glasses.


BTW, how is corridor lenght measured? Accoridng to a post here, is
12.5 mm for Varilux Panamic. I don't remmeber anyone measuring
corridor lenght for that frame on me. (I returned that frame yesterday
though I really like it. I always have trouble finding frames. I don't
mind buyignt he same one I have but is too small for Panamic. Sigh-

 

In US, what I was told by someone from Pearle Vision was that the
manufacturer of Varilux lens is Essilor.

BTW, people from Eye Design where I found a frame I like (and bought
it) told me that the fitting height requirement for Varilux Panamic is
16mm. Of course, the fitting height for me for that frame was measured
to be 18 mm - by the first person I dealt with after buying the frame -
and then when I went back later, it was 17 mmm, measured by the manager
who said she always does 1mm less so that people wouldn't have to lower
their chin, etc. I thought that was dumb explanation since we're
talking about pogressive lens.

I was reluctant to believe their explanation and (fiitn gheight
requirement for Panamic which I remembered it to be 18 mm) and so still
hasn't done it yet.

I saw the same frame at framesdirect.com (for $70 less) and talked
with someone there on the phone and was told, even before I gave here
fitting height, that that frames won't work for Varilux Panamic and was
suggested to do Varilux comfort for that frame. I wanted Panamic and
alos wasn't going to do it online in case I needed adjustment on
fititng height.

I went back to that eye place yesterday and the same manager suggested
that I should go for Varilux Comfort telling me that the first time
wearer of Varilux use that one. her words aroused my supicion. I just
read online at Varilux website that Varilux Panamic is used for first
time progressive wearer. (I feel that the manager's aware that I have
been using progressive lens and hence avoided using the term and only
used the term *first time wearer*.


Yesterday, I went to Eye design to inquire about doing computer eye
glasses using an old frame (actually, I never used that frame after I
bought it 3-4 years ago and it's still brand new) but when she
suggested me to do Sola Access w/o giving me straight about the lens
material, I decided to come home and do research on line about That
name she said. Before heading home, I stopped by at the place where I
got exam exam done - I couldn't find the frame I like there - and
inquired and learned that they would use polycarbonate. I also learned
that Sola Access is polycarbonate. I wouldn't go for polycarbonate and
also decided that I should get a bigger frame for computer eye glasses.


BTW, how is corridor lenght measured? Accoridng to a post here, is
12.5 mm for Varilux Panamic. I don't remmeber anyone measuring
corridor lenght for that frame on me. (I returned that frame yesterday
though I really like it. I always have trouble finding frames. I don't
mind buyignt he same one I have but is too small for Panamic. Sigh-