Long term risks of orthoK?

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by Ace, Oct 22, 2006.

  1. Ace

    Ace Guest

    In another thread, someone talked to his optometrist who said:


    I also had a good long chat with the optometrist about visual
    corrections in general but, for balance, it should be remembered that
    he
    works for a Lasik clinic although he is fairly fresh from university so

    he is up to date on current thinking. He believed that OrthoK was a bad

    idea and could cause damage to the cornea with long term use.
    Apparently
    this was also the opinion of the Professor in charge of his school who
    is supposedly a world authority on contact lenses. He said that the
    repeated compression would eventually damage the elasticity and leave a

    permanently mishapen cornea.


    What do you optometrists on Sci.med.vision say? How long can someone
    safely wear orthoK?
    I already know orthoK is 10x to 20x safer than lasik. But im worried
    about the long term risks of orthoK. I am interested in orthoK and was
    wondering how much time I can use it then discountinue use before long
    term damage. Something in the future should be invented to answer the
    myopia question and correct my myopia but with todays technology, its
    either glasses or orthoK as options. OrthoK can tide me over till
    technology has an answer.
     
    Ace, Oct 22, 2006
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  2. Ace

    CatmanX Guest

    Why ask questions when:

    a) you will never go ahead with it,

    b) You prefer to tell people how to do things even when you know
    nothing about it yourself.

    Annoyance comes to mind, along with the words wanker, fool and
    brain-dead moron.

    Others can add here if they wish.
     
    CatmanX, Oct 22, 2006
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  3. Ace

    Ace Guest


    Then make that question for the public. Theres thousands others who
    would like to know the answer. Its not just about me. You practice
    orthoK, youd have experience on the risks.
     
    Ace, Oct 22, 2006
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  4. Ace

    CatmanX Guest

    Yes, but seeing you don't rate, I shan't let you in on the secret.
     
    CatmanX, Oct 22, 2006
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  5. Ace

    Charles Guest

    I'd like to know the answer give the corneal reshaping I get from RGP.


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    Charles, Oct 22, 2006
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  6. Ace

    LarryDoc Guest

    Agreed. No need to reply to anything the Ace child writes. Let him
    "converse" with Otis, the only other person here who might care to
    engage him and his sickness.

    LB
     
    LarryDoc, Oct 22, 2006
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  7. Ace

    cg_aust Guest

    Catman & LarryDoc,

    I'm currently doing orthok - last 3 months or so. Love the results. I'd
    definitely be interested in learning of long term complications /
    possible complications. Say what you like about Ace, (I'm sure you have
    & will !), but his question is valid, and certainly of interest to me
    for one. Probably many others too. Please share your knowledge on this
    subject, and don't let your dislike of Ace deprive the rest of us of
    the benefit of your knowledge experience and expertise.
     
    cg_aust, Oct 22, 2006
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  8. Ace

    LarryDoc Guest

    Then ask Ace and Otis to leave the group.

    This is, after all, sci.med.vision. Read the charter or at least the
    weekly "welcome" post. Those of us in the field of science or
    medical-related vision post here for two reasons: 1. to help increase
    the body of knowledge in the field available to those not in the
    professions and 2. to discuss interesting findings that increase *our*
    knowledge.

    But lately we find those goals to be supplemented with: 3. keep out the
    loons and dispel their junk-science and general bull. And that is
    becoming time consuming and now detracts from real and meaningful
    discussion. At least for me. Most of the time I don't even read the
    stuff here anymore, or at least pick and choose to reply to things that
    don't require much work on my part or to other replies that might
    actually hurt someone. What a change. What a shame.

    So, if you don't like what's going on here, stop replying to the moronic
    and useless posts from those who hang out here only to blab and blah,
    blah, blah.......

    <close soapbox><jump off soapbox>
    <go to beach>

    ahhhhhh

    LB
     
    LarryDoc, Oct 22, 2006
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  9. Ace

    CatmanX Guest

    Ask your optometrist. If they are worth their salt, they were at the
    OSO conference 2 weeks ago to catch up with the latest info.

    dr grant
     
    CatmanX, Oct 22, 2006
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  10. Ace

    cg_aust Guest

    Gee guys, thanks for your help.
     
    cg_aust, Oct 22, 2006
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  11. Ace

    CatmanX Guest

    what are you paying your optometrist for?
     
    CatmanX, Oct 22, 2006
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  12. Ace

    Charles O Guest

    Well if people would just kill file the loons like Otis and Ace instead
    of feeding their kook theories with stupid replies it would improve the
    discussion. It is true that Otis and Ace are kooks but I don't know
    what some of the responders would do for a life if Otis and Ace did
    leave the newsgroup.
     
    Charles O, Oct 22, 2006
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  13. Ace

    cg_aust Guest

    I believe he's a very good optometrist, I was referred to him by my
    regular optometrist, as a leader in this field. I'm in Melbourne
    Australia.

    I'm simply doing a bit of my own research to try and extend my
    obviously limited laymans knowledge. I have asked him these same
    questions, but he said no problems long term to worry about. Doesn't
    mean someone else doesn't have a contrary view. In fact going by this
    website, quite obviously they do.

    I'm sure as a professional you're always trying to increase your
    knowledge. As a layman and orthtok patient, that's all I'm doing -
    without bugging the shit out of my optometrist all day by asking
    questions he's already answered, and questioning his own
    professionalism by doubting his advice.

    Sorry if I've offended you or someone else in the group, or broken some
    etiquette I'm unaware of.
     
    cg_aust, Oct 22, 2006
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  14. Ace

    Ace Guest

    I know some of you guys dont like me and Otis. We are entitled to
    freedom of speech to say what we want. Neither of us insult anyone, we
    dont cuss, we dont flame or attack someone, we use good courtesty. You
    have a problem with our opinions, well you are entitled to your own
    prevailing opinions. There are alot of people and optometrists called
    "second opinion" who believe in myopia prevention, vision improvement
    and the power of the plus lens. There will always be disagreements
    between optometrists who believe nothing can be done about myopia and
    those who believe it can be prevented if caught early on and plus lens
    used.

    But this thread is about the long term risks of orthoK. All of us
    reading this would like to know. You optometrists post here to help so
    please share your facts. This is a reasonable and serious question. You
    dont have to like me, that is irrelevant. It is nothing personal, its
    about health and science!

    Cg_aust, thanks for asking your optometrist about this. It is
    reassuring to know most dont believe there is any long term concerns
    and if there are, its probably no worse than daily wear contacts and
    far, far safer than lasik.

    As for that lady who developed -2d astigmatism, was it gradual? Have
    they determined the cause? It could just be coincidental and could go
    away by itself. Did she develop any other problems, especially that
    glasses couldnt correct?
     
    Ace, Oct 23, 2006
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    Dan Abel Guest

    And other folks on the group have freedom of speech to differ with you
    and to ask for substantiation.

    Please name a few of them (and one or two do not constitute "a lot").
     
    Dan Abel, Oct 23, 2006
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  16. Ace

    CatmanX Guest

    Like I said, if your optom knows anything about OK, he should have been
    in Surfers for the conference. I think I can recall 2 others from Melb
    there. OK is very poorly done here due to mostly lousy optoms who can't
    fit an RGP lens to save themselves.

    Write a list of questions and take them in next time you see your
    optom.

    If you can't wait, email me the list. I am not going to give Nancy the
    satisfaction of my knowledge. Sorry, but he would just twist it.



    cheers,

    grant
     
    CatmanX, Oct 23, 2006
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  17. Ace

    cg_aust Guest

    Catman,

    Sincerely thank you for your response - I will follow your suggestion
    about the list of questions for my optom, who I see again in 3 weeks.
    If I'm unhappy with his responses I'll pursue the offer of an email to
    you.

    Thank you again.
     
    cg_aust, Oct 23, 2006
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  18. Ace

    Ace Guest


    Finally some good advice. I already have a list of questions ill show
    my own optometrist when I go for my orthoK consultation. You probably
    wouldnt waste your time unless you were being paid. If I had to guess,
    most if not all orthoK optometrist would not believe the long term
    risks to be much to worry about. Those who feel there is a risk are
    lasik surgeons(no supprise) and some optometrists who dont even fit
    people with contacts.
     
    Ace, Oct 24, 2006
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  19. Ace

    Ace Guest



    Please let me know all the responses of all the optometrists. Alot of
    us out there are wondering the same thing.
     
    Ace, Oct 24, 2006
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