Macular degeneration

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Oct 10, 2003.

  1. I received a leaflet warning me that in Italy over 1,500,000 people
    are estimated to carry this disease, without being aware of it.

    It is said that peopel over 50 years of age are the most exposed to
    it.


    I phoned to the number advertised, and a lady answered me that they
    were not ophthalmologists, but I want to ask them a question:


    I asked if there was some statistic that correlated the disease with
    the wearing of eyeglasses.


    The girl was not so specific but said that most of the people who get
    this disease are myopic people, and age does not count very much.

    Then I asked that being myopic, people were wearing glasses, or not?

    The girl said yes, of course, people were wearing glasses.

    I wanted to ask more but the line dropped.



    I would like to know from the professionals who write here if there is
    a research that correlates macular degeneration in people wearing
    glasses and not wearing glasses. If there is a difference in the
    inception of the disease and if this difference is significant.




    Thanks very much!
     
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Oct 10, 2003
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  2. There probably are no such statistics because the proposition is ludicrous. In

    Ok. At least the doubt must be present.

    Nobody has ever treated these patient without the use of glasses.

    Nobody can exclude that these macular degenerations are determined by
    eyeglasses.

    You assumption that "hanging a piece of clear plastic..." is not
    harmful is just an assumption.

    The facts tell the exact contrary.

    How can you explain away this, so easily?

    At least, leave some space for doubt.
     
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Oct 11, 2003
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  3. Rishi Giovanni Gatti

    LarryDoc Guest

    You just had to take his bait, eh? (But nice reply, though :)

    The next thing he'll rave on about is how Bates can cure MD.

    PLEASE, please don't feed the trolls.

    --LB
     
    LarryDoc, Oct 11, 2003
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  4. Rishi Giovanni Gatti

    Evaristo Guest

    You are the real troll, you proved it by not following your
    own advice.

    You are unaware of a lot of other things.

    You will die believing your stupid beliefs, just like
    the popes of the Middle Ages died believing that
    they were doing a good thing freeing the world
    from witches.

    You ARE in the Middle Age of the eye and vision.

    Please, at least try to be more intelligent.
     
    Evaristo, Oct 11, 2003
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  5. Rishi Giovanni Gatti

    Dan Roberts Guest

    Rishi,

    I would be interested in knowing what organization sent you the leaflet.
    Please respond to my private address below.

    Regarding the wearing of glasses, there is no more reason to suspect that as
    a cause of ARMD than to suspect that wearing a hearing aid causes deafness.

    For complete information about macular degeneration, its suspected causes,
    and the most recent research, I invite you to go to the MD Support web site
    at http://www.mdsupport.org .

    Best regards,

    Dan Roberts, Director
    Macular Degeneration Support
    Email:
     
    Dan Roberts, Oct 12, 2003
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  6. Rishi Giovanni Gatti

    Evaristo Guest

    It wouldn't surprise me if it will be found in the future that hearing
    aids are worsening the condition of the hearing system. In fact the
    so called "cure" for tinnitus is very similar to the so called "cure"
    from imperfect sight by mean of wearing glasses.
    I think that something that relates with localization of sounds maybe
    worth investigating upon for the cure of hearing difficulties.

    But that's off-topic.
     
    Evaristo, Oct 12, 2003
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  7. Dear Mr. Roberts,
    you know that I consider all the ophthalmological practice of the
    so-called scientific world to be quackery and a criminal exercise
    against people.

    But I will answer you.

    The leaflet was issued by these people:
    http://www.fotodinamicaonline.it.

    Your comment about the ear-ring is really stupid.

    The ear-ring has not the mission of interfering with the sense of
    hearing. It cannot cause any deafness, unless you wear it without
    hygienic measures.

    The eye-glasses are used for treating the imperfect sight of people,
    hence they are directly involved in the sense of sight, which they
    affect, and affect badly.

    In the case of macular degeneration, it seems to me that ALL the
    instances or cases where this disease appears, eye-glasses or other
    non-mental treatments are involved.

    If you were really scientific, you should have checked this hypotesis,
    and not discarded it by issuing such a stupid statement.



    I will continue to challenge your profession whenever I will have the
    chance, because to me is very clear that eye-glasses are directly
    linked to eye-diseases.

    The evidence is clear that people with this disease find some relief
    when they discard eyeglasses and start relaxation methods.

    They have no other thing left to try, given the fact that your
    profession has utterly failed in helping them.



    Thanks
     
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Oct 12, 2003
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  8. Oh? How many cases of macular degeneration have you studied?


    None at all, and I will never study one in my whole life!

    But, by the way: how many cases DID you study, and WHAT WAS THE
    OUTCOME?

    How many cases did you help?

    Just today, a client called me with excitement because she helped a
    macular degenerated woman to see 4/100 starting from a condition of
    1/200, just with 15 minutes of suggested "palming".

    So what?
    It is more cruel when "proper" treatment is the source of all the
    anguish.
    I do not want to do any argument.

    I just asked to you if there was any data about people wearing and not
    wearing glasses for their whole life and finding how this could affect
    macular degeneration.
    I never thought about that. There must be something: people using that
    kind of instrument are really strange people, aren't they?


    You provide the data: how many people have macular degeneration that
    have always had perfect sight without glasses in their life?


    thanks.
     
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Oct 13, 2003
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