Multiple images again

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by Repeating Rifle, Jan 21, 2004.

  1. Before undergoing cateract surgery, I was seeing multiple images. I would
    see at least half a dozen images of a traffic light. At night or when it was
    dark and my pupil became larger, the effect was more pronounced. I also
    reported what appeared to be a moire pattern from interference between a
    real image of the world and a floater. Even after the surgery, I was seeing
    multiple images. Although I consider myself well versed in optics, although
    not optometry, I could not explain how the multiple images were produced.

    My prescription included two diopters of cylinder. After putting on the
    glasses, the multiple images disappeared. I do not understand that either. I
    am always coming up with new explanations, but none of them seem to be
    correct.

    The appearence is as if the entrance pupil is made from an opaque disk with
    holes punched in it. If the eye is out of focus, there would be multiple out
    of focuse images in front or in back of where the focal plane of the eye is.
    The pinhole effect of the holes will make the images appear sharper then
    they are.

    After all I said, I am still looking for a viable explantion. I don't think
    that it should be all the complicated, but maybe it is.

    Bill
     
    Repeating Rifle, Jan 21, 2004
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  2. Because you are an idiot in not taking into account the role of the mind
    in vision.

    I have told you so many times these facts, but you seem really very
    deaf, stubborn and idiotic.

    Why are you so?

    They disappera because the mind is tricked into a joke you play with it,
    but soon it will realize it is just a joke, an optical trick, and it
    will start again to form multiple images because the source of strain
    that created them in the very first place has not been resolved.
    If you find it, please report.
    If you do not find it, as the truth is, please start the practice of
    rest methods!!! the sooner the better!!!

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    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 21, 2004
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  3. I am at a loss to understand what is hapening from an optical
    viewpoint. Perhaps there is a physiological explanation. After all,
    a lot of image processing takes place in the eye.
     
    Helpful person, Jan 21, 2004
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  4. Problem is in the mind.
    What is defective is the imagination faculty.
    If the idiot starts to practice his imagination, multiple images start
    to disappear.

    The root problem is mental strain.

    The words "mental strain" are not commonly understood by idiot people,
    that is the great majority of people.

    This is the difficulty.

    But I do not think that even idiots cannot be cured: they can.

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    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 21, 2004
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  5. They do indeed go away while using a pinhole. That is easy to explain. As I
    move the pinhole, the location of the image on the retina moves or goes away
    in jumps. Using a defocus argument, that is also easy to explain.

    What is hard foe to explain is: Why does a corrective lens made from
    spherical and cylindrical surfaces cut down the number of images formed ON
    the retina from six or so down to only one?

    When it is reasonably dark I am still using a good deal of the eyes
    aperture. How is the eye structured so that it produces six discrete images?
    This structure, presumably is not in the ocular implant. I must conclude
    that it arises from a mishaped cornea or, less likely in my opinion, the
    retina.

    It also seems obvious that different images come from different parts of the
    entrance pupil. If I block off part of the pupil with a finger in front of
    the eye, different imagages go away dependent upon which part of the pupil
    is blocked. Somehow a well fitted corrective lens merges ALL of these
    multiple images.

    This leads me to the description I gave of an effective aperture consisting
    of holes. Each hole produces an slightly defocussed on a different part of
    the retina. That does not explain how the holes form or what they are.

    I think of these holes as being somewhat akin to the aperture plate used in
    the Hartman test used for testing telescopes. I just don't understand how
    the structure of the eye produces a Hartman mask.

    It is obvious that the optometric problem is solved by corrective lenses. My
    curiosity, however, keeps me pondering over what is actually happening.

    Bill
     
    Repeating Rifle, Jan 21, 2004
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  6. there are no multiple images on the retina, but only one, although
    unfocussed or imperfectly focussed.

    The optical lense you may put on the eye, just creates a trick which is
    interpreted by the mind as if the object is drawn near or far and so put
    at a distance which creates less mental strain.

    Unfortunately, this trick does not work for ever, so patients need new
    glasses once in a while, if they maintain to grow the mental strain.

    Since the vision "aided" with glasses is "false", the mind perceives
    this diffrence and resents it.

    The only way out is the treatment by rest methods.

    It is so easy!!!

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    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 21, 2004
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  7. In a person with perfect or normal sight, how is the cornea? Perfect?
     
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 21, 2004
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  8. Repeating Rifle

    Fleetie Guest

    Ok, some of that last paragraph is familiar to me. I am very myopic
    (L: -8.0, R:-7.0). So when I'm not wearing my contact lenses, it is
    (should be) quite impossible for me to read the digital clock across the
    room, which has red 7-segment LED digits about 1 inch high.

    Except, there are ways in which I can, with some effort, contrive to
    be able to read those digits while _not_ squinting or looking through a
    "pinhole" made curing up my right index finger.

    To achieve this amazing (!) feat, I squint for a bit, before re-opening
    the eye, so that the "wiping" action of the eyelid, combined with the
    thin film of liquid on the cornea, causes that liquid to become
    formed up into "ridges" on the cornea; i.e. the layer of liquid is
    no longer smooth and uniform in thickness. This having been accomplished,
    I often find that when I look at the digital clock in darkness, I see
    many in-focus images of the time readout clustered around a central
    point where (presumably) the digits "really" are. It's as though I'm
    seeing a convolution of an image of the display with a set of sharp points
    clustered around the true location of the display. (Rather than the
    smooth "blurry" convolution normally associated with out-of-focus vision.)

    By choosing a powerful "mini-image" of the display, relatively
    uncluttered by other nearby images, I'm often able to read the time.

    When I'm wearing contacts, this effect is far less noticeable, and
    especially if the ambient lighting is other than near-darkness.

    I wonder if your multiple images are caused by something related to
    this phenomenon; maybe your cornea is not smoothly curved, but
    perhaps "dimpled" or ridged in some way; or the liquid on it is
    not uniform.

    Just some thoughts; maybe you could try the process I've described
    using, and report back with some more data points?


    Martin
     
    Fleetie, Jan 21, 2004
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  9. I think that we agree to a large extent. I think that your last paragraph
    zeroes in on what is happening, but detail is missing. I presume that
    optometricl literature must have described these phenomena, but I can be
    wrong.

    Recently, I have seen posts with topic like phase correction in lasik. I
    presume that means that someone has made interferometric measurements on
    eyes. That should catch the distortion of the cornea in a quantitative way.
    Is there anything on the web available?

    Bill
     
    Repeating Rifle, Jan 21, 2004
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  10. This description seems to coincide with mine. For some reason, it is very
    hard for me to describe it in words. I do the best I can. Yours is another
    useful description.

    Bill
     
    Repeating Rifle, Jan 21, 2004
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  11. Mr. Martin, compliments.

    You are the witness that strange things happen to the vision of man if
    you remove glasses.

    These things cannot be axplained on the physical side because
    imagination is prettly a mind, mental, function.

    You just happen that without glasses you are able to rest the mind to
    some extent.

    Try this experiment.

    Create dark in the room where you have the led digits.

    Of course remove your contacts and glasses.

    Just close your eyes and try to remember a little "o" black on a white
    background.

    Remember it as big as the digit led, then try to imagine it half that
    size, just beside the digit led.

    Open your eyes, retaining the little black "o" in the mind, and look at
    the digits.

    You should see the digits SHARP, for at list half a second of time.


    Please do this experiment.


    Drop "scientific" explanation given by our professionals here, those
    "science" has not helped ever anybody and just procrastinates the damage.


    Please try the experiment and report to me.

    thanks.

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    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 21, 2004
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  12. Why don't you read Dr. Bates book? It contains much of that material you
    are searching! And the tricks you need to overcome that disease of your
    vision which is a weak imagination.



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    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 21, 2004
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  13. Again bates is proved right: it is not important the perfection of the
    physical side of vision, the eye, but of the mind that is able to
    interpret the signal.

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    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 21, 2004
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  14. Because of mental strain.
    I do not speak of blurry images, but of changes in refraction so rapid
    and continuous that there are NOT blurry images ALL the time on the retina.
    You do not understand, and you have no way to account for experiences
    like this led digits affair.

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    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 22, 2004
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  15. You have to explain why a cornea with irregular refracting surfaces can
    see with normal or perfect sight (20/10).

    You said that a cornea without irregularities does not exist.

    So why such corneas bring about perfect vision in normal sighted men?

    Sometimes I think you are very dumb, at least for certain points of
    discussion which you seem to completely avoid.

    Have you retreived your 200 pages vacant in your Bates book? Where they
    were gone?

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    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 22, 2004
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  16. Mike Tyner wrote:


    Just tell me: you don't because you want not or because you can not?

    I will deny any explanation? And you? what are YOU doing?

    No. Just that if the cornea has irregularities this has nothing to do
    with imperfect sight in perfect sighted people!!!
    You are projecting a fear of being wrong for all your life!!!

    Unfortunately there are many things that I do not know, one of them is
    latinorum.

    I am sorry.
     
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 22, 2004
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