My friend's eyesight healed after losing his glasses

Discussion in 'Glasses' started by CHINESEMALE(age16), Jun 12, 2005.

  1. I forgot about this miracle. I met someone named Steven Chai in 10th
    grade. In 11th grade he told me that he lost his glasses after having
    been through three pairs. He didn't have glasses for 2 months. When
    the doctor measured his eyes, they found that his vision was better
    than normal, 20/15. He was about ten. This was in China; he had went
    there for a few years to learn Chinese so that he could comminicated
    with his mother, who only spoke Chinese. He is not in America. What
    do you prevention skeptics have to say about that?
     
    CHINESEMALE(age16), Jun 12, 2005
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    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    Why did he need eyeglasses in the first place? Could it be that he was
    squinting?

    I have many asian patients. They typically "see" better than their
    caucasian counterparts with the same dioptric refractive error. They
    can do this because their narrow fissures act as a slit aperture.

    Incidentally, prevention is possible. All that is necessary is that a
    child be given atropine eyedrops every day for many years. Plus lenses
    aren't effective. Atropine is. In fact, some eye doctors are
    advocating the use of atropine as standard practice NOW.

    DrG
     
    Dr. Leukoma, Jun 12, 2005
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  3. Incidentally, prevention is possible. All that >is necessary is that a
    That is good, but are there any side effects.

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    I don't know, but they gave him glasses, regardless of what he had.
    They didn't care what he had. This just shows that glasses should not
    be given to children who do not want them. Glasses should not be given
    to people who's instincts tell them otherwise. People should be able
    to make their own choice if they want to get glasses, then, if they
    find their vision is deteriorating, they themselves alone will be to
    blame.
     
    CHINESEMALE(age16), Jun 12, 2005
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  4. Incidentally, prevention is possible. All that >is necessary is that a
    That is good, but are there any side effects.

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    I don't know, but they gave him glasses, regardless of what he had.
    They didn't care what he had. This just shows that glasses should not
    be given to children who do not want them. Glasses should not be given
    to people who's instincts tell them otherwise. People should be able
    to make their own choice if they want to get glasses, then, if they
    find their vision is deteriorating, they themselves alone will be to
    blame.

    All I ask for is freedom of choice.
     
    CHINESEMALE(age16), Jun 12, 2005
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    Dan Abel Guest

    They didn't care what he had. This just shows that glasses should not

    My wife made the choice as a child not to wear glasses. Now she is
    completely and irretreviably blind in the right eye (ambyopia). Since she
    is right-handed, this means that her eye-hand coordination sucks. She has
    never been able to play any sort of ball games and never will. Some
    choice!
     
    Dan Abel, Jun 12, 2005
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  6. CHINESEMALE(age16)

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Asian Friend,

    Subject: Identify and ellimate MEDICAL problems first.

    Amblyopia should be identified to you by any competent
    OD or MD.

    Assuming EVERY OTHER THING HAS BEEN CHECKED,
    and your retina is good, then a minus lens
    is used to "clear" the image.

    The actual value of the lens used to "clear" depends on
    measurement conditions.

    It also depends on the required LEGAL visual acuity
    standards.

    One man, Mike, read 20/40 on his eye chart -- which
    PASSES the legal requirement.

    When placed in DEEP DUSK measurement conditions
    a -2 diopter lens was given to him.

    This issue here is what your goal is. Mikes
    goal was to clear to 20/20 -- by use of the
    plus.

    A -2.0 diopter lens creates an "environment" is
    all 20 inches or less. It is as though your
    head was in a box -- with that limitation.

    Since Mike wished to "clear" it was essential
    that he get his head "out of that box".

    Since his vision passes the DMV-Snellen,
    there was no point or purpose to wearing
    a -2 diopter lens.

    Further, he took the responsibility to "clear"
    beyond the 20/40 line -- thus 20/40 is
    a TEMPORARY condition for him.

    I expect that he will get to 20/30 to 20/20,
    eventually. The process of clearing
    is indeed slow -- and depends completely
    on Mikes strong resolve to do the work -- and
    get the results.

    Mike quit "cold turky" with a prescription
    of -2.75 diopters and a eye chart (his check)
    of 20/70 initially.

    I insisted that he always PASS the Snellen-DMV, or
    use a mild minus -- if he could NOT pass the
    DMV with naked-eye vision.

    Best,

    Otis
     
    otisbrown, Jun 13, 2005
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  7. My wife made the choice as a child not to wear glasses. Now she is
    How old is she?
     
    CHINESEMALE(age16), Jun 22, 2005
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    retinula Guest

    although the cure is worse that the disease since with atropine your
    eyes are constantly dilated and therefore photosensitive. and you can't
    accommodate so you need bifocals even as a child. no thanks. i'll
    wait for a treatment with fewer side-effects.
     
    retinula, Jun 22, 2005
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  9. CHINESEMALE(age16)

    Dan Abel Guest

    How old is she?[/QUOTE]

    55. And I missed the "l" in "amblyopia.
     
    Dan Abel, Jun 22, 2005
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  10. 55. And I missed the "l" in "amblyopia.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Sonoma State University
    AIS
    [/QUOTE]

    Sorry. I meant how old was she when she was faced with the decision to
    wear glasses or not. Another question, is she also nearsighted? Or is
    she farsighted? I think you know where I'm going with this...
     
    CHINESEMALE(age16), Jun 22, 2005
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  11. CHINESEMALE(age16)

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Dan and Friend,

    Subject: Define Amblyopia

    At this point I have heard a number of "definitions" of amblyopia.

    Typically one eye will be "amblyopic" while the other eye
    can be "corrected" to 20/20 with a minus or plus lens.

    I believe that originally, it was found that some
    eyes could not be "corrected" to 20/20 using
    a lens -- and that the eye that could only
    produce 20/40 or less was described as
    "amblyopic".

    Further, once this condition was found -- it
    was regarded as permanent.

    That is the general impression I have of that
    word.

    Since my interest is in "vision clearing" from
    20/40 to 20/50, that is the first issue to be
    resolved by OD exam. That is why
    I suggest that anyone wishing to
    work on vision clearing FIRST have
    and OD exam. The exam will
    elliminate all MEDICAL issues, and
    the only issue will be clearing a slight
    negative refractive state of the natural eye.

    Despite all the "hoopla" against true-prevention
    by SOME ODs on this site, there are others
    who support this difficult preventive work. But
    the work does transfer about 99 percent
    of the RESPONSIBILITY to the individual
    himself -- to do the work properly,
    and safely.


    Best,

    Otis
     
    otisbrown, Jun 23, 2005
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  12. CHINESEMALE(age16)

    Dan Abel Guest


    I'm sure that she told me, but I don't remember. She was a small child,
    though. The glasses did not help her vision, they were a hassle to wear
    and they actually decreased her vision when they got dirty. She wasn't
    given a choice, but simply refused to wear them, and her parents gave up
    trying.

    She is farsighted, but didn't wear glasses until about a year ago. She
    failed her DMV vision screening, and now is required to wear glasses to
    drive. Since they do now help her vision quite a bit, she wears them all
    the time. They are +1 in the left eye, with a +2 add.

    And no, I don't know where you are going with this.
     
    Dan Abel, Jun 26, 2005
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  13. CHINESEMALE(age16)

    Dan Abel Guest


    You've already said too much, Otis. People reading this group don't want
    multiple answers to questions, they want the one agreed upon answer.

    You remind me of a woman I used to work with here. She was a computer
    professional (that was her job), and she felt that it reflected poorly on
    her if she couldn't answer a computer question. There was nothing you
    could ask her about computers that she couldn't answer. She didn't always
    know the *correct* answer, but that never stopped her. I soon learned
    that I couldn't rely on her answers, because too many of them were just
    made up. She was a very good actress, and you just couldn't tell when she
    knew the answer and when she was faking it.

    I'm not sure that I've ever seen a thread on this group that you haven't
    answered. In the case of amblyopia, it's clear that you have no clue, but
    you still can't resist giving answers.
     
    Dan Abel, Jun 26, 2005
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