Myopes can't see as well as a normal person at the near point...

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by Kory Postma, Aug 3, 2003.

  1. Kory Postma

    Kory Postma Guest

    According to Bates myopes cannot see as well as someone with normal
    vision at the near point. I just proved this to myself. I recall
    Bates saying that some would use the side of their finger to make the
    scenery clearer (much like squinting and other bad habits). Well I
    did this and noticed that the laptop text was really darker than what
    I was seeing it at. I convinced myself that the text was not gray but
    it was actually black. After moving my finger away and thinking this,
    I brought my finger back into the scene and compared it with the black
    text I now see and I didn't notice a difference, so I am now really
    seeing black the way it is supposed to be seen. Except now, I'm
    starting to get tired and it is turning gray again. It will come with
    practice.

    Prove this to yourself...

    Kory
     
    Kory Postma, Aug 3, 2003
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    nipidoc Guest

    And you're saying that this proves what exactly??

    Last night, I convinced myself that the pint of Ben and Jerry's I ate
    was good for me. Doesn't mean it's true.

    nipidoc
     
    nipidoc, Aug 3, 2003
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    Kory Postma Guest

    Read the post again, it makes sense.

     
    Kory Postma, Aug 3, 2003
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    Otis Brown Guest

    OT:

    If it were JERRY Garcia it would have been really great
    and VERY relazing ... but I digress.

    Best,

    Otis
     
    Otis Brown, Aug 4, 2003
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    nipidoc Guest

    Hey! Thanks Larry! I was having so much mental strain worrying about
    it, but your reassurance made me feel a lot better! I think I'll go
    have another pint!

    In fact, my strain is so much better, I honestly think that I can see
    a little better too!

    nipidoc
     
    nipidoc, Aug 4, 2003
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  6. Kory Postma

    Kory Postma Guest

    I was maybe about 12 inches from my laptop (it was sitting on my
    chest), then my hand was resting on my temples and forehead and one of
    my fingers was just hanging down. That is when I noticed the
    difference and recalled what Bates had written. I then thought that
    it (the laptop screen text) is truly supposed to be black but not gray
    like I was seeing it. After thinking it was black I tried the finger
    thing again and I didn't notice a difference indicating that I was
    seeing as I was supposed to (truly black). It kinda shocked me at
    first.

    It started to go gray though after typing the message.

    Kory
     
    Kory Postma, Aug 4, 2003
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    Kory Postma Guest

    Maybe now you are starting to realize what Bates was saying... (haha)

    Haven't you guys ever asked a customer (oh sorry, patient) to close
    their eyes and to take a deep breath and then ask them if they can see
    it (test card) better? Ask them sometime, it is a very simple thing
    to do.

    I betcha they will say "yeah it looks a little clearer". Ask them
    why? Then ask yourself why and post it here.

    Kory
     
    Kory Postma, Aug 4, 2003
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    Jan Guest

    Look up for Fresnel diffraction
    All normal science
    Some contactlens manufactures use this diffraction to get multifocal lenses.
    Easy stuff it must be for a physicist I might think but I also might think
    that none of the explanations given here shall be excepted by the narrow
    minded.

    --
    Jan (normally Dutch spoken)

    Yes, another Bates adept is standing up!
    Read my lips: "he knows nothing" but he shall be full of advises in the next
    months
     
    Jan, Aug 4, 2003
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    Kory Postma Guest

    You think I don't understand diffraction? How about diffraction of
    the electron! Do you understand that? Did you know that if you send
    one electron through a single slit it will have a diffraction pattern?
    According to science that is 100 years old this just doesn't happen.
    But Quantum Mechanics says it can happen.

    Do you understand polarized lenses? Isn't it true if you have two
    polarized lenses that are Pi/2 radians (90 degrees, right angles) to
    each other then no light gets through? Have you ever tried to put
    another polarized lens in between them that is at about Pi/4 (45
    degrees) to the other two, what do you see now? Can you explain that?
    100 year old science can't but I can explain it to you if you want (QM
    again). Don't treat me like an idiot, I understand diffraction better
    than you.

    Bates said that some people were doing that (with the finger) to try
    to see better, as some also close their eyelids a little (squint). I
    understand the physics of that part. But you do not understand what I
    was saying.

    Here is what I was saying in very simple understandable terms.

    The image I was seeing was a little blurry. After noticing that I
    wasn't seeing the screen totally black and clear like a normal person
    would, I took my finger away and convinced myself in my own mind that
    it was actually black and clear.

    I put my finger back to check if it was indeed black and clear and it
    was, I was seeing it the way it should have been seen.

    Later on it starting going gray again.

    But mind you, these things are above your head and out of your realm
    of expertise. Your realm of expertise is to put glasses on people,
    not to convince people that what they are seeing is not the reality.

    Kory

    Remember your theories are nearing 200 years old.
     
    Kory Postma, Aug 4, 2003
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    Jan Guest

    Kory, all my messages end with: Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
    I already recognised your name as being of Dutch origin, in fact "Groning's"
    from the provincie Groningen.
     
    Jan, Aug 4, 2003
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    nipidoc Guest

    HEY! Your nasty words are causing me considerable mental strain!

    Oooooooo, drat! I can feel the myopia increasing again! DAMN IT!
    Time for another pint, I guess.

    nipidoc
     
    nipidoc, Aug 4, 2003
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    nipidoc Guest

    I'll betcha they will say "What the hell are you talking about??"

    nipidoc
     
    nipidoc, Aug 4, 2003
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    Han Sibot Guest

    I am not sure why Bates is required to explain your observation. It
    sounds as if your eyes were not accurately focusing, hence the blurred
    vision. The finger made you aware of it and helped you refocus, until
    after some time your eyes they forgot to focus accurately again.

    I imagine (not a fact) that the accomodation feedback mechanism is a
    bit lazy while reading: I don't focus accurately on the words while
    reading as long as I understand the text. It may depend on how tired I
    am.
     
    Han Sibot, Aug 4, 2003
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    Rishigg Guest

    This should make you think that perhaps eye education according to Bates
    has some meaning.

    But since you are a stupid man, I don't think you know how to think.

    --
    "As surely as any soldier ever died on the field, Dr. Bates gave his
    life for a cause, battling against fate, during many years of
    magnificent struggle, when the unending disappointment finally broke in
    hopeless despair. His torch is still burning. There will come some other
    battler, who is fit, and will hold it high until the people who are
    sitting in darkness have seen its great light."
    William B. MacCracken, M.D.
    (1937, Berkeley CA)
     
    Rishigg, Aug 4, 2003
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    Rishigg Guest

    Then why you became tired?

    If it is "parsimonious", you should not become tired.

    The truth is different.


    --
    "As surely as any soldier ever died on the field, Dr. Bates gave his
    life for a cause, battling against fate, during many years of
    magnificent struggle, when the unending disappointment finally broke in
    hopeless despair. His torch is still burning. There will come some other
    battler, who is fit, and will hold it high until the people who are
    sitting in darkness have seen its great light."
    William B. MacCracken, M.D.
    (1937, Berkeley CA)
     
    Rishigg, Aug 4, 2003
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    Han Sibot Guest

    Well, thanks for illustrating this point: when the words are out of
    focus it is sometimes easier to understand the message.
     
    Han Sibot, Aug 4, 2003
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    Jan Guest

    Whe are talking about light so what do you suggest, light has nothing to do
    with the electron?
    And why not mentioning diffraction instead off pointing to Bates with a
    supprised undertone?
    Again , why not explained by this modern science instead of mention the 100
    years old Bates stuff?
    Yes, but you talked about your fingerside and the wonders that occurs by
    using it when looking at the laptop.
    So no intension too explain the circulair, beeing O.T. in this newsgroup.
    Maybe whe have the chance you change to sci.optics ?
    Again, then why supprissed by the finger trick?
    than why not explain this instead of talking Bates in wonderland?

    The fingerside as you explained it, is diffraction only in one direction.
    (opaque barrier)
    Your finger positioned horizontaly you could read but try the vertical
    position and it is quit difficult to read.
    Is it so obvious?
    Must be the QM, I am sure.


    Your realm of expertise is to put glasses on people,
    That is the difference between Bates and my ideas, people wants to see
    reality, not (Bates or mine)ideas.
    --
    Jan (normally Dutch spoken)

    Yes, another Bates adept is standing up!
    Read my lips: "he knows nothing" but he shall be full of advises in the next
    months
     
    Jan, Aug 4, 2003
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    Rishigg Guest


    shut up dirty idiot, your teachings have 200 years old and are all rotten.

    just today a freind wrote me that he has used the sun-glass as indicated
    by Bates on the eyes of a friend which has lowered vision due to a kind
    of haze that covers the cornea. He has been able to disperse this haze
    after few seconds of sunlight concentrated on the sclera.

    We have pictures.

    If it is so easy to treat patient with a simple sun-glass, what the hell
    are you doing to your clients? Destroying their sight by use of glasses
    or chemicals just because you are still attached to a 200-year old
    rotten and flawed theory.
     
    Rishigg, Aug 4, 2003
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    Kory Postma Guest


    Well ask them and then see what they say. It is a very simple
    experiment.
     
    Kory Postma, Aug 4, 2003
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    Kory Postma Guest

    Light, electrons, many different particles, all the same thing. Light
    has spin 1, e- has spin 1/2, anyhow, they all have diffraction
    patterns.

    Who said I was surprised by the finger trick? I wasn't surprised by
    the finger trick in the least bit, I was surprised at how easy it was
    to convince myself that it was black and clear.

    Have you asked any of your patients to close their eyes and take a
    deep breathe then they might be able to see better? How is it working
    out?
    Kory
     
    Kory Postma, Aug 4, 2003
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