Myopia Causes

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by Pace, Jan 2, 2004.

  1. Pace

    Pace Guest

    What is causing the extremely high incidence of myopia amongst the Chinese?
    is either behavioural or environmental? It's impossible for genetic
    evolution to cause such a huge drift in only one generation. Besides what
    advantage does nearsightedness confers?
     
    Pace, Jan 2, 2004
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    Evaristo Guest

    The cause of imperfect sight is a strain to see.
    In myopia the strain is to see distant objects.
    Myopia is contagious, if you are in presence of someone that strains
    to see, just her/his face expression or her hysterical tone of voice
    or behaviour makes you strain as well.

    Evaristo.
     
    Evaristo, Jan 2, 2004
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  3. It is because they need vision training. :=)

    Seriously, the causes are probably BOTH genetic and environmental. Just as
    in the US, there is probably a population that is genetically resistant to
    myopia. The remainer is susceptible.

    Certainly, the populations of those countires have become more studious.
    This means lots of reading and close work. This newsgroup has had the near
    work-myopia discussion many times. I happen to believe that there is a
    causal relationship.

    There are advantages conferred by myopia. True, myopic eye no longer very
    good at spotting tigers lying in wait at the horizon. They do, however, help
    when looking at integrated circuits or lettering watch dials in small print.
    It is the body modifying itself to doing its job more efffectively.

    Bill
     
    Repeating Rifle, Jan 2, 2004
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  4. Pace

    Evaristo Guest

    Exactly.

    You stupid imperfect sighted, haven't you killfiled me yet ?

    Evaristo.
     
    Evaristo, Jan 2, 2004
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    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    This "one generation drift" has been observed in other cultures. Recent
    studies of myopiagenesis in Asia have found that the single greatest factor
    is heredity, closely followed by the number of hours of close work. Close
    work would appear to be the generational variable. Anecdotally, I have
    been giving talks at the local middle school for almost twenty years. Each
    time I ask for a show of hands for those who wear corrective lenses. I
    have noticed that the proportion of raised hands has been increasing.

    DrG
     
    Dr. Leukoma, Jan 2, 2004
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    Evaristo Guest

    On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 11:36:57 GMT, "Dr. Leukoma"

    Each
    Has the human race really to wait to be ALL WITH the fucking GLASSES
    to take a look (pun intended...sigh) at the work of Dr.Bates ?

    Why from a DESPERATE situation and not NOW ?

    How foolish.
    Shit.
     
    Evaristo, Jan 2, 2004
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    Dan Abel Guest


    I believe so also. It fits in with my personal experience. Because my
    high myopia was not discovered until 4th grade, I tended to do things that
    were close, like reading. I couldn't do sports because I wasn't able to
    see. Therefore it is clear to me that myopia is a cause for people to
    choose doing close work over far.
     
    Dan Abel, Jan 2, 2004
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    Otis Brown Guest

    Dear Evaristo,

    The number of hands raised by medical doctors on Taiwan
    would be 93 percent. I wonder if they know where they
    are going with this.

    While prevention is certainly difficult, you really
    have to "wonder" about that kind of statistic -- but
    it is true.

    Best,

    Otis
     
    Otis Brown, Jan 2, 2004
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    Ann Guest

    Don't hold back... tell us what you really feel.

    Ann
     
    Ann, Jan 2, 2004
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    Evaristo Guest

    Your frustration is showing, my dear.
    Ah ah ah.
    There are people that do not become myopic because they
    can keep the mental control needed not to strain and to
    maintain central fixation. Just as there are people that don't
    get a flu when the virus is active around them.
    I take this as a compliment, thank you very very much.

    Please answer my question: why are you STILL reading my posts ?
    Why do you say one thing and do the other ?

    Killfile me as you said you did already !
     
    Evaristo, Jan 2, 2004
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    Evaristo Guest

    Again this misleading shit.

    The books are available FREE on the internet (what a blessing).

    And more than that, I am willing to help people FREE of charge
    (or maybe on a donation program) in a year or two.

    The one that is always thinking of making money exploiting people
    misfortune is YOU and YOUR PEERS.

    Duh.

    We WILL sweep you all out of existence (the "profession" not
    the persons, to make mistakes is human afterall).
     
    Evaristo, Jan 3, 2004
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    Ann Guest

    Where are the books free on the internet... i'd like to see them

    Ann
     
    Ann, Jan 3, 2004
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    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    Er...excuse me but am I missing something here? You claim that there is a
    "cure," and that the instructions are available free on the internet.
    Furthermore, the system is so effective that it will sweep our professions
    out of existence. IF this was indeed the case, I would expect to see the
    evidence of people "turning on" to this program, and getting better. In
    fact, they should be so happy that they would want to show me the results.
    Moreover, those poor people in Singapore would already be using the method,
    since it is so widely available for free.

    DrG
     
    Dr. Leukoma, Jan 3, 2004
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    Ann Guest

    I read the book a long time ago. I got it from the library. I did
    try some of the stuff like palming but got nowhere.

    I'd like to read it again but there's so much waffle I really just
    want to cut to the chase.

    Ta
    Ann
     
    Ann, Jan 3, 2004
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    Evaristo Guest

    Beware of the so called Bates Teacher that
    "teach" WEARING GLASSES !!!

    My god what an irreverence !

    Forget ALL of what they say and read only the original
    Bates' words that are in the 1920 book and in 1926
    his assistant's one.

    If you have questions feel free to... investigate ON YOUR OWN !
     
    Evaristo, Jan 3, 2004
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    Evaristo Guest

    Exactly !

    The reason why they are not using the method effectively is
    the same as WHY YOU PROFESSIONALS do not investigate
    the facts in a serious and scientific way.

    The exact same reason: stupidity or lack of intelligence.

    There is another minor reason though: there are some superstitions
    about some fundamental things that are stronger than the willingness
    to try them.
    The two major superstitions are:
    1) The use of the sun glass and of strong light
    2) The use of fine print

    It is really a simple system, the Bates' one, nothing complicate at
    all, maybe tricky and tedious in some cases, but not complicate at
    all. The complications come in play when stupid people calling
    themselves "Bates Teachers" persist in doing silly things that have
    nothing to do with what is needed to relax from the strain to see.
    In this respect I fully agree with you "professionals", but the thing
    is that what Bates said is very useful to recover completely from
    the disease called mental and eye strain to see which symptoms are
    imperfect sight and visual illusions of all kind.
    In other words: the fact that a great number of people since the 40s
    had not been able to cure themselves until now (for what I know only
    me and Rishi are cured or almost completely cured) is NOT a PROOF
    that the system is of no value.

    Truth may be very strange and unexpected at times.
     
    Evaristo, Jan 3, 2004
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    Evaristo Guest

    Why you continue to act as you are holier than thou ?
    You know nothing and talk. Typical of stupid people.

    The "Re:"s are put (and removed) automatically by the Agent
    Newsreader, probably to keep track of the tree structure of
    the replies.

    Do you know what NNTP server and client are ?

    I see that you still haven't killfiled me and you are still insulting
    and flaming me only on the basis of a different idea.
    Just like terrorists that think that their religion and way of
    life is better than everyone else (no problem in that) and
    want to kill everyone else (a big problem in that!)

    Please, live and let live, and killfile me.
     
    Evaristo, Jan 3, 2004
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    Ann Guest

    What I want is the method. Not the rest of the crap. I think these
    people do themselves down with spending so many pages trying to sell
    the idea. I just want to see how to do it. Then I'll judge whether I
    think it's worth it or not.

    Ann
     
    Ann, Jan 3, 2004
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    Evaristo Guest

    The Bates' book is not like that AT ALL.
    The shitload of bullshit that followed is like that, this is very
    true.
    No, it is not like that.
    You have to do EXACTLY what is written and try something
    else if the thing that you tried didn't work immediately.
    If you cannot get any improvement by for example palming,
    for christ sake don't keep up doing it ! (Or maybe you are
    doing it wrong by touching the closed eyes with the hands
    for example, or you are staring with closed eyes and not
    imagining things that you can remember well, etc...)

    You know what? Until recently I have NEVER been able to get
    benefit from palming. Only now I can rest my eyes with it when
    they feel tired, but if I keep it up for long my vision worsen.

    Did (and do) I get benefit from other methods ? YOU BET !
    The one that restores my sight immediately when I strain to see?
    The fundamental principle.


    Mike, I KNOW that you have never read the whole 1920 and 1926
    books, and probably you will never read it because you fear that
    maybe we are right (and we are).
     
    Evaristo, Jan 3, 2004
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    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    What do you do for a living, sir, that you can spend so much time "palming"
    yourself?

    DrG
     
    Dr. Leukoma, Jan 4, 2004
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