Myopia reduction proven - whats the next stage?

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by andrewedwardjudd, Mar 27, 2005.

  1. Having demonstrated amongst a small trial group that myopia reduction
    is possible via a psychotherapeutic/guidance method that looks at
    underlying tensions and anxieties I want to make this work more widely

    Here are some to the things i have tried so far.

    1. I approached my local opticians and they were interested. They
    ordered Kaplans books (some they bought from me). They contacted
    Kaplan and got additional professional materials. They were
    enthusiastic but told me "Sorry we are part of a franchise, we can not
    be publicly associated with this sort of thing"

    2. I approached a friendly lens blank supplier and optometrist in the
    UK and showed him how his prescription was directly connected to his
    behaviour and 'visual style'. He was amazed and really felt that since
    i had last spoken to him i had "really nailed it down convincingly".
    He said he would talk to his assistant and see if some kind of trial
    group was possible to look at taking the idea further. Nothing
    happened for some weeks. My mum died. I gave up.

    3. Before mum died I contacted Moorfields eye hospital looking for
    researchers who might be interested. They suggested I contact a
    leading Singaporean Researcher on Aetiology of myopia. She was
    definately interested and already recognised patterns in myopes but it
    'needed to be studied in her cohort'. I was asked to produce a
    questionnaire to be submitted to the cohort. This questionnaire
    seemed problematical and too intellectual/academic for my liking. I
    said that it would be best to show that myopia could be reduced rather
    than study it and that is what i preferred. We parted company.

    4. I contacted a guy in England who was looking at myopia in families
    and saying it was genetics. I pointed out that it could be something
    that is learnt in the family that is creating the myopia. He had not
    even considered that possibility. He is a very nice man but his
    interest is in "finding links between myopia and genetics not at
    behavioural relationships". I suggested i come and visit him and we
    have a small group for a few hours and i can show him what i know. That
    remains a possibility - but he prefers a study be done rather than a
    demo of myopia reduction.

    5. A twin study group is going to study Discordant MZ twins to see if
    childhood differences are responsible for differences. I am not
    involved yet.

    I have other irons in other fires. One avenue is to go down the pub
    with influencial myopic science journalists and show them how easy it
    is to link myopia to somewhat complicated but known behavioural
    patterns for each refractive error and then see if that can open doors.

    This work can be done via email but in person its far more dramatic for
    those willing to listen.

    Meanwhile perhaps i am missing some other way of approaching this
    problem. Suggestions welcome.

    andrewedwardjudd, Mar 27, 2005
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  2. andrewedwardjudd

    Guest Guest

    Until you prove (as you wrote in the subject line) you are a look-alike of

    Major snip in a lot off stories not proven to be true yet.

    Free to Marcus Porcius Cato: ''Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam"

    In conclusion, I think that the "Otis therapy" should be destroyed

    Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
    Guest, Mar 27, 2005
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  3. andrewedwardjudd

    Dr Judy Guest

    The usual way to interest researchers is to publish your small trial.
    Why are you rejecting the serious researchers who want to do proper
    research? The only scientific, believable way to "prove" your ideas and to
    make them better known is not to cure individuals but to do controlled,
    valid, scientific study.

    If you are asking the question "Does personality affect myopia development?"
    the way to study this is to have a group of young people have various
    measures done, including accepted, reliable, valid, psychological tests and
    then followed for a number of years, with repeat testing at various
    specified times. Those who become myopic are compared to those who do not
    become myopic to see what the differences are. It sounds like the
    researcher with a cohort was doing this and was willing to add your
    questions to her measures. Why did you reject this, if an effect was found
    she would have published it and the knowledge would be more widely known.

    If you are asking the question "Can modifying behaviour reduce myopia?",
    then, again, you need to not just treat some individuals but do a controlled
    study, treating one group and not treating a matched control group to see if
    there are statistically significant differences.

    Dr Judy
    Dr Judy, Mar 27, 2005
  4. andrewedwardjudd

    g.gatti Guest

    Dr Judy wrote:

    HOW can you reduce myopia if you do not renounce eyeglasses?
    g.gatti, Mar 27, 2005
  5. andrewedwardjudd

    RM Guest

    I suggest you go to graduate school and earn a PhD or Masters. This could
    be your thesis topic. If you think you are going to do it any other way you
    are wasting your time. For better or for worse, the system doesn't work
    that way.
    Based upon how you post in this NG, I can well imagine that this is true.

    OK, so you see your name in lights.

    Look-- you need a lot of help from academicians. More than you realize.
    Your study needs to be well-constructed by reputable and credible
    authorities and conducted in a highly professional manner. E-mail and chat
    isn't going to cut it. Talking to the local optical shop isn't going to
    convince anyone. Just being passionate about what you believe isn't enough.

    Until then the title of your posting should be "Myopia reduction theory
    seems very reasonable to me-- but how do I prove it to the rest of the
    RM, Mar 28, 2005
  6. andrewedwardjudd

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    Sorry, Andrew, but some inventors and their theories just never seem to
    get the recognistion they deserve. You will probably be recognized
    posthumously. ; )

    Dr. Leukoma, Mar 28, 2005
  7. Actually, as he's selling these books, he's the worst combination of Otis
    and Rishi.

    Scott Seidman, Mar 28, 2005
  8. andrewedwardjudd

    g.gatti Guest

    Books are not injurious, while your false treatments are injurious.
    g.gatti, Mar 28, 2005
  9. andrewedwardjudd

    Guest Guest

    Quit the contrary, show me wich method works and I should be delighted to
    use it and call myself a fool not having noticed the possibility.
    What a nonsense.
    Why you are showing your opinion this very moment?
    Not affraid a colleague of yours read this stuff?
    Charlatanic behaviour just as your look-alike Otis.

    Free to Marcus Porcius Cato: ''Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam"

    In conclusion, I think that the "Otis therapy" should be destroyed

    Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
    Guest, Mar 29, 2005
  10. andrewedwardjudd

    RM Guest

    Jans reaction towards me is fairly typical of the profession. "Myopia

    Why are you telling me about your problems with Jan?
    Getting a little overly emotional?
    RM, Mar 29, 2005
  11. Jan

    Just recently you made an interesting comment on psychoemotional
    correlations to pupil size. But generally the logic in your replies is
    difficult to understand.

    By what method could a person show you a method can reduce myopia?

    andrewedwardjudd, Mar 29, 2005
  12. andrewedwardjudd

    retinula Guest

    we're hearing a little more than we need to about your mum and your dad
    retinula, Mar 29, 2005
  13. andrewedwardjudd

    Dr Judy Guest


    At the end of the say i don't want to spend
    Good research takes time, if you don't spend the time to do it properly,
    nobody will believe you.
    You don't need a controlled group, you need a treatment group and a matched,
    no treatment /sham treatment control group. You need a researcher to assist
    you in determining how large the groups should be, how to test for matching,
    to make sure the design is valid, to help design the sham treatment, to
    help with obtaining human research/ ethical clearance, to help find the
    subjects and so on. You need either a vision researcher or a licensed eye
    examiner to do pre and post treatment cycloplegic refractions.

    It will take time and it cannot be done by e-mail.

    Dr Judy
    Dr Judy, Mar 29, 2005
  14. Correct.

    you need a treatment group and a matched,

    You need a researcher to assist
    Partially correct. I need a bona fida authority who can present me
    with the pre treatment group of which all have been screened for
    ethical considerations.

    The treatment is best done in person but it **can** be done via email.
    Certainly the pretreatment work to determine which of the group are
    likely to be able to continue with the work and who wish to be selected
    for more highly personal interaction **can** be done via email.

    The Email would form the basis of the discussion of the results.
    Myopia improvement does not lend itself to traditional scientific
    anaylsis. It would require a massive write up or ideally video before
    and after presentations of the behaviour and mannerisms of the myopes
    before and after.

    For example if myopes have issues with self esteem a video of them
    being interviewed before and a video after treatment would speak a
    thousand words.

    But this work can be done via email of that i am confidant because I am
    already doing it and getting results with people who recognise the
    validity of what i am doing with them and who are finding they are
    getting improvements in refraction.

    andrewedwardjudd, Mar 29, 2005
  15. andrewedwardjudd

    g.gatti Guest

    I would like to acknowledge that you have cured yourself or discarded
    glasses or reduced your prescription or something else in accord to
    your efforts.

    What have you reached till now?
    g.gatti, Mar 29, 2005
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