New Site of Vision Therapy

Discussion in 'Eye-Care' started by Otis Brown, Dec 29, 2003.

  1. Otis Brown

    Otis Brown Guest

    Otis Brown, Dec 29, 2003
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  2. Otis Brown

    Dr Judy Guest

    Your assumption is wrong, vision therapy means training the extraocular and
    intraocular neuromuscular systems for to optimize binocular vision, fixation
    and accommodation. It is not used to change refractive error (clearing
    distance to normal).

    See the AOA description of VT

    http://www.children-special-needs.org/vision_therapy/optometric_vision_therapy.html

    Dr Judy
     
    Dr Judy, Dec 29, 2003
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  3. Otis Brown

    Otis Brown Guest

    Dear Mike, Judy, and Francine,

    The site was "new" to me. It may have been
    around awhile. It is a good read, and
    I am certain Marc is doing a good job
    with VT.

    The fact of profound disagreement should
    not cause us difficulties. This is
    simply the old argument about
    the "majority opinion", (enviroment has
    no effect on the refractive status
    of the natural eye) and "second opinion",
    enviroment (in diopters) does have a profound
    effect on the refactive status of the eye.

    With respect to all, I can say that there
    is an honest disagreement about the behavior of
    the eye.

    I think that "Vision Training" can eventually
    include clearing distant vision from 20/40 to
    20/20, and that clear distant vision
    can be maintained for life -- if we do
    it "right."

    So enjoy my friends -- we do face a very
    difficult problem when we talk "prevention."

    Best,

    Otis

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    Otis Brown, Dec 30, 2003
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    Dr Judy Guest

    I am familar with OEP, though not bogus, some of their claims regarding
    treatment for learning disability are not backed by good science. I did not
    see any references on either link to myopia reversal.

    Dr Judy
     
    Dr Judy, Dec 31, 2003
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  5. I think that "Vision Training" can eventually

    Hallo Otis, dear friend.

    I can guarantee you: I am becoming able to defeat the
    autorefractometer on the optician's chair.

    I was refracted last month, HALF the value of what I was refracted six
    month ago.

    I could in both instances see 20/20 letters quickly on the chart, but
    now I am becoming more and more able to focus correctly on the baloon
    of the autorefractometer, maintaining some degree of relaxation that
    consents me not to strain so much as I did in the past.

    So, to me, I am getting very very close to the certification of my
    perfect sight, back from a -5 prescription I scored in 1986.


    This is not a question of pseudomyopia or being able to recognize
    already known letters on the chart.

    This is the final proof of the autorefractometer, in the worst
    possible conditions for the eyes to be tested, the dirty tricky
    machine.


    Apart from the 1920 Dr. Bates masterpiece, which I sell as a replica
    edition, and the Mrs. Lierman masterpiece from 1926, alsoavailable by
    me as replica edition, I have found interesting the great book by Dr.
    MacCracken, 1937, which has a nice reference to the forthcoming
    inception of CONTACT LENSES, which as he said were going to be
    introduced in those times.

    Dr. MacCracken was so discouraged by these new dirty things like
    contact lenses for curing imperfect sight...


    Anyway he has written a nice book, although far less important than
    Dr. Bates.

    MacCracken had not the magic touch, he tells about failures also, when
    he was not able to convince the parents of imperfect sighted children
    to encourage them and get a permanent cure following good practice of
    the Bates System of self-treatment.


    Also Neon lights where spreading, which I believe are a great injuring
    force for the imperfect sighted patien, unless he has got a permanent
    cure.


    If I had to give advice to novices who want to be cured of their
    imperfect sight by relaxation methods, I would say these things:
    - buy and read the three books, Dr. Bates 1920, Mrs. Lierman 1926 and
    Dr. MacCracken 1937 (I can sell them in nice digital quality print,
    just visit http://www.stores.ebay.it/juppiterconsultingrishi)
    - discard glasses or contacts
    - install very powerful good electric lights in the home or office.
    Discard fluorescent lights for the beginning. Invest in modern,
    mastercolour bulbs, which need special electrical facility, but you
    can find them easily for less than 150 usd. To get a clue, you need at
    least 300 watt halogen lamps directly pointed on the desk where you
    are working or studying
    - stay as much as you can in the open and stop driving for the first
    weeks
    - use small sized letters on the pc, and be closer to it to read if
    you need it
    - make a practice of printing fine print and read it in the dark.

    If somebody needs help, feel free to write me at
     
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 2, 2004
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    LarryDoc Guest

    The "myopia reversal" stuff is based on the assumption that the
    refractive error is stress-induced, caused by accomodative-convergance
    issues. It is more appropriately called "pseudo-myopia". Fixing an
    over-accomodated system is not difficult, not new information and not a
    mystery.

    If you're thinking about fixing a 40 year old who has been a 6D myope
    since toddlerhood, forget it. A 1D recent onset refractive error in
    someone who just started law school who has a 10:1 ACA ratio and
    locked-up esophoric overconvergance --- a completely different story.

    As far as the learning disability thing: empirical results correctlng
    hyperphoria, excessive exophoria and fixation/tracking errors and the
    resulting reading improvement is certainly there.

    --LB

    --
    Dr. Larry Bickford, O.D.
    Family Practice Eye Health & Vision Care

    The Eyecare Connection
    http//www.eyecarecontacts.com
    larrydoc at eye-care-contacts dot com (remove -)
     
    LarryDoc, Jan 2, 2004
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    Otis Brown Guest

    (Rishi Giovanni Gatti) wrote in message
    Dear Rishi,

    You know -- we are learing to get our "hearts" in the
    right place first to begin getting a solution.

    That is how a few people (with the motivation) will
    gradually work their way out of nearsightednees of
    20/50 to 20/40.

    I know how important motivation is to solve problems.

    But I tend to be "hard headed" about experimental facts,
    and skeptical in many ways.

    (i.e., I would have YOU ask the questions and YOU run the
    experiment yourself. That is the true way to
    determine if the natural eye is dynamic -- or not. That
    way there can be no argument about what the
    experimental data tells us about the effect
    the minus lens has on the refractive status of
    the natural eye.)

    But in the final analysis, we depend on the quality
    of the motivation and empowerment of the person for
    that person's success.

    (i.e., he must see the results himself -- or he will
    quit the effort before he sees ANY result.)

    I see the issue as an engineering problem, and maybe
    progress is possible by that type of analysis. And
    maybe not.

    The frustrations we feel are reasonable. Let us
    acknowledge them and continue to work towards
    effective prevention as friends.

    I think that the ODs and MDs have an impossible problem
    with true prevention because so much depends on our
    judgment and strong actions. This issue is
    to establish where that "responsibility" line
    actually is. How responsible are YOU for your
    visual condition -- and visual future?

    That is the way I see it.

    Perhaps in another 100 years we will do better -- if we
    learn to stop fighting with each other!

    Best,

    Otis

    *****************************
     
    Otis Brown, Jan 2, 2004
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    Dr Judy Guest

    Of course, by definition, learning disability is a reading problem NOT
    caused by other factors like hyperopia, vertical phoria, excessive exo or
    esophoria ...

    Dr Judy
     
    Dr Judy, Jan 3, 2004
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    LarryDoc Guest

    Huh? I dont get it.

    If a child has a learning disability defined as a deficit in acquisition
    of vocabulary, phonemic awareness, comprehension, etc----that is what
    defines "reading learning disability." Or, more simply stated, the
    child lags in obtaining the skills equal to the median abilty of his/her
    peers.

    The causes of such a disability can be cortical processing deficits,
    visual-motor anomolies, acuity deficits, or anything that prevents the
    "normal" development of reading skills.

    So, I don't get your reply.

    And I think I know just a little about this, having been a teacher and
    being married to a teacher who's profession is a Resource
    Specialist/Special Education for kids with learning disabilities.

    As an OD, I've "treated" a number of kids classified as "learning
    disabled/reading" and "fixed" their disability by fixing their deficit.
    In one case, an uncorrected hyperopia with tracking and fusion problems.
    I could go on, but I wont.

    Sometimes a disability isn't: Another interesting case was a boy who
    was put in a reading development program because he "skipped words,
    couldn't find the next sentence, couldn't read aloud." I discovered
    during my testing that he was speed reading---processing entire lines at
    a time so of course he could not read aloud. He was removed from the
    Special Ed program and placed in the advanced reading program instead.
    You see, his comprehension was normal to above normal and he was able to
    read 300-400 words per minute----or, and using his finger as a guide,
    slow down to the verbal 100-125 words per minute. The school thought it
    important that he slow down and learn to read aloud.

    Modern education in America. Don't get me started........

    --LB

    --
    Dr. Larry Bickford, O.D.
    Family Practice Eye Health & Vision Care

    The Eyecare Connection
    http//www.eyecarecontacts.com
    larrydoc at eye-care-contacts dot com (remove -)
     
    LarryDoc, Jan 3, 2004
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    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    There was a huge retrospective published a couple of decades ago in which
    the patient files of hundreds of children who passed through the U. of H.
    optometry clinic were examined. Among those who were classified as having
    a learning disability or reading disability, the most significant visual
    finding was uncorrected moderate hyperopia.

    DrG
     
    Dr. Leukoma, Jan 3, 2004
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    LarryDoc Guest

    No doubt. Yet school "vision screenings" (for the vast majority of kids:
    read the letters on the wall) let hyperopia go completely undetected.

    Makes you wonder. What's the protocol over on the other side of the
    pond?

    --LB

    --
    Dr. Larry Bickford, O.D.
    Family Practice Eye Health & Vision Care

    The Eyecare Connection
    http//www.eyecarecontacts.com
    larrydoc at eye-care-contacts dot com (remove -)
     
    LarryDoc, Jan 3, 2004
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    Dr Judy Guest


    The link you provided discusses reading problems associated with specific
    visual dysfunction. I do not deny that some reading problems have an
    underlying visual problem that can be corrected.

    Maybe things are different here in Canada, but here a learning disability is
    defined as a cognitive dysfunction not due to developmental delay,
    educational deprivation, or a physical, hearing or visual disabilty or
    dysfunction. In other words, if you have had an adequate exposure to normal
    education, have normal intelligence, have had your hearing and/or vision
    problems addressed and still have cognitive problems, you have a learning
    disability.

    See this link for further info

    http://www.ldrc.ca/contents/kinds/index.php

    Dr Judy
     
    Dr Judy, Jan 3, 2004
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    Ann Guest

    Interestingly a learning disability in the UK means what used to be
    called a mental handicap... someone with a low IQ.

    Dyslexia or dyspraxia is sometimes called a specifici learning
    difficulty (not disability).

    My 2p worth... haha!

    Ann
     
    Ann, Jan 3, 2004
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    Dr Judy Guest

    I agree that people with ADD, ADHD, developmental delay or learning
    disability may also have binocular vision dysfunction and that they will
    benefit from VT, (the same benefit gained by a person with a binocular
    vision dysfunction who does not have ADD, ADHD etc).

    What I am saying is that treating the binocular dysfunction does not treat
    the cognitive function, ie VT is not a cure/treatment for ADD, ADHD, LD, it
    is a treatment for binocular vision dysfunction.

    Dr Judy
     
    Dr Judy, Jan 4, 2004
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  15. Otis Brown wrote:

    I do not think there will be 100 years needed.

    Just a handful of intelligent people that has the guts to devote some
    time daily to good practice.
     
    Rishi Giovanni Gatti, Jan 5, 2004
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