Online contacts

Discussion in 'Contact Lenses' started by Charles, Mar 9, 2006.

  1. Charles

    Charles Guest

    Why can't I buy contacts without an eye doc being in the loop? I find
    this annoying. I have a fresh eyeglass prescription, and some contacts
    I like in my old prescription. Now I need to pay someone to say it's
    okay to get the contacts in the right Rx. Looks to me like the eye
    docs must have lobbied congress to for this little perk...

    Charles, Mar 9, 2006
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    CatmanX Guest

    You also like the valium you had once, you can buy that online now
    without a script. Who needs a stupid doctor anyway?

    Dumb bastards, just ripping the public off.\

    \dr grant
    CatmanX, Mar 9, 2006
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  3. Charles

    Charles Guest

    In what way is it even close to being the same thing?

    Charles, Mar 9, 2006
  4. Charles

    acemanvx Guest

    if your pescription expired, youll need to get another eye exam and a
    new pescription. contacts are medical device class II so their sale is
    regulated to a pescription. Glasses are in class I so its easy to get
    them without a pescription as they arent controlled really.
    acemanvx, Mar 9, 2006
  5. This is far from being a perk...yhis is protection for the industry and
    the consumer. Its the moron who continuously re-orders his contacts
    without an eye health examination that gets the corneal ulcers and
    erosions. The contact lens industry doesn't need a lot of sick eyes
    running around out there any more than the doctor does.
    doctor_my_eye, Mar 9, 2006
  6. I'm just guessing, but do you buy a six pack of underwear and wear each
    pair until they're gross? Thats what consumers often do with
    contacts. Do you buy disposable razors and keep using the same one
    until you have bled too many times? That's what overwear looks like in
    doctor_my_eye, Mar 9, 2006
  7. Charles

    CatmanX Guest

    What sort of dumbass are you?

    How is a prescription for contacts any different from a prescription
    for Valium or Lithium? Would your doctor send you a script for drugs
    without seeing you first?

    Contact lenses are classified as a therapeutic agent by your FDA. They
    are a prescription item, and the optometrist is liable for them. Online
    providers are compelled to have a current script to dispense lenses.

    Now where is that different from your valium and Lithium?

    dr grant
    CatmanX, Mar 9, 2006
  8. Charles

    acemanvx Guest

    Those two optometrists said it well. If you are too lazy to get an
    updated contact pescription, stick to your glasses! The worst that can
    happen is you wont see as well as you should due to outdated glasses,
    but it wont damage your eyes like contacts
    acemanvx, Mar 9, 2006
  9. Charles

    Dan Abel Guest

    Someone who at least knows how to quote so we know who is being referred

    All the time. I put in an order yesterday on the web site. I expect
    that my doctor will approve it and forward the prescription to the
    pharmacy, which will then mail me my drugs. I believe that with some
    exception, Valium is specifically excluded from this process.

    I still don't think prescriptions make a lot of sense, but then, many
    things don't. I can buy all the reading glasses I want without a
    prescription, but not minus lenses.

    I worked with a woman for a long time who's father owned a pharmacy, and
    she worked there when young. Perhaps Oz is more sensible, but despite
    the fact that the normal dose of aspirin for an adult is 650mg, those
    pills require a prescription. You can buy a bottle of a zillion 325mg
    aspirin, and take two, which the label says is the normal dose, without
    a prescription. Same thing with Motrin. I had some shoulder pain a
    few years back. The doctor wrote a prescription for 600mg Motrin. I
    asked him what the difference was between that and the OTC stuff. He
    said that the prescription was covered under my drug plan and would cost
    US$1.00 for a big bottle, and the OTC 200mg tablets would cost a lot of
    money for a little bottle. The drug itself was the same. He asked if
    I'd rather buy OTC, and I replied that, no, I was just curious. [note -
    my information is quite old]
    Dan Abel, Mar 9, 2006
  10. Charles

    Charles Guest

    Do you think it's good advertising for your practice being such an ass
    on a public forum?

    I don't think contact lenses are even in the same ballpark as addicitve
    and/or potentially fatal chemicals. What do you think my OD will do if
    I go in there and pay him $100 do provide a contact lens Rx? He'll
    hand me some off the shelf and tell me to come back and tell me how
    they worked out. If I say they worked, he'll sell me a supply at a
    premium price. If they don't work out, he'll try a different brand
    until I say it's okay.

    As far as I can tell, the entire prescription process boils down to the
    subjective impressions of the patient.

    Do you think you are protecting me from myself somehow by prohibiting
    me from buying my own contacts? If so, how? Besides, what do you care
    if I walk around with the wrong contacts anyway?

    Charles, Mar 10, 2006
  11. Charles

    Charles Guest

    I guess it just depends how "libertarian" of a person you are. I think
    people ought to be left to their business if they aren't hurting anyone
    else. I don't see how I can harm anyone but myself with contact lenses.

    I do also resent having to go to the doctor and pay $150 for an
    antibiotic prescription when I get a sinus infection. In that case,
    however, there _is_ a concern of people overusing them and creating
    resistant strains of bacteria. Having said that, I think it's lining
    doctors pockets, because it doesn't take 8 years of education to
    properly dispense antibiotics and such.

    Maybe we should require a podiatrist Rx to buy shoes. After all, we
    wouldn't want people to buy the wrong sized shoe and damage their feet,
    or worse yet, continue wearing old shoes once they have become too
    small or infected within fungus.

    To your comment, how does requiring an doctor permission slip keep
    people from overwearing contacts? Seems to me it would encourage it
    since all cheap and convenient avenues are being closed.
    Charles, Mar 10, 2006
  12. Charles

    Charles Guest

    How will I damage my eyes exactly?

    Charles, Mar 10, 2006
  13. Charles

    Neil Brooks Guest

    In reality, though, the dispensing optician (or company, or
    manufacturer, or eye doctor) incurs liability if they participate in
    your insouciant method. Such is reality.
    Pretty heady stuff. Maybe something to take up with a state, or
    national, legistlature, but that system doesn't get changed here, where
    the participating doctors will still tell you that they can't dispense
    without a prescription and that they (very likely) won't prescribe
    without a visit.
    Charles, I think you've made your point here, but I don't think you're
    getting anywhere with it in the context of your original question. In
    the old days, "Write your congressman" would have been an appropriate

    Continued good luck with your vision therapy, and best of luck with
    your new contacts ... however you get them.

    Neil Brooks, Mar 10, 2006
  14. Charles

    Charles Guest

    I think requiring periodic exams is a good idea. Contacts are worn over
    one of our very important organs, the eyes. Having check up exams is
    smart. I tend to be a procrastinator and also forgetfull of how long it
    has been since my eyes are examined. Before you know it a few years
    have gone by. With the legal requirement I'll get the exams. I think
    that is good when we are talking about contacts and maintaining healthy
    eyes. I'd hate to lose my eyesight.
    Charles, Mar 10, 2006
  15. Charles

    Charles Guest

    Perhaps. I'm not really sure how much liability would be
    taking on. After all, I can buy all kinds of dangerous things on-line
    and, for the most part, sellers aren't concerned. If they are, they
    could refuse to sell without a prescription or purchase more liability
    Understood. I was mostly just venting frustration; I know you can't
    change anything. I just wonder how these things become law in the
    first place. Kind of like requiring a licenses for barbers.
    Fair enough.

    Charles, Mar 10, 2006
  16. Charles

    CatmanX Guest

    So what you are really saying is that dumb shits like you should be
    protected from themselves.

    I agree, you are a dumb shit and need protection.

    This is why there are laws on the expiry of CL scripts as you are
    compelled to get a check and make sure you have the correct fitting

    You are the sort of person who sues the optom after you get an
    infection from having worn a lens for 3 years and not removing it. That
    bastard OD should pay for your suffering, shouldn't he?

    There are totally stupid dumb shits like Nancy, aqnd then there is

    You are one dumb fucker and no OD should prescribe for you as you are
    too stupid to deserve their care.

    dr grant
    CatmanX, Mar 10, 2006
  17. Charles

    The Real Bev Guest

    Why didn't your optometrist just renew your contact prescription when he
    gave you the spectacle prescription?

    "Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
    the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the
    bodies of the people who pissed me off."
    The Real Bev, Mar 14, 2006
  18. Charles

    The Real Bev Guest

    No problem. I see my ophthalmologist once a year because of non-glaucoma
    elevated IOP. She doesn't fit contacts.

    I have had 3 different licensed contact fitters. My astigmatism is such
    that even if the trial lenses are perfect, the lenses ordered in the same
    prescription have a better than 50-50 chance of not fitting. I have not yet
    found one fitter (1 optometrist, 2 opticians) who will stand behind me and
    talk to the manufacturers about WHY the lenses don't fit.

    From my standpoint, the docs aren't doing the job they're paid for. This
    has nothing at all to do with my eye health, which is dealt with by someone
    else. If I could finally get a prescription with reproducible fit, I'd be
    pretty pissed if I had to pay a guy $85 just to change the date on the
    paper. I can do that myself, come to think of it.
    So would I, but let's hear about what ought to be done about giving me a
    prescription that's guaranteed to be half bad and then throwing their hands
    up in the air and blaming it on... well, they never actually blamed it on
    anybody, they just say "that's all I can do for you".


    "Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
    the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the
    bodies of the people who pissed me off."
    The Real Bev, Mar 14, 2006
  19. Charles

    The Real Bev Guest

    The last guy who fit me for contacts said that, contrary to everything
    written, I could wear my current lenses for a year. This is his solution to
    my problem, which is two known good pair, two known bad pair, and one
    unopened pair of lenses, and the assumption that any lenses re-ordered will
    exhibit the same good/bad ratio. I've paid $350 for the lenses and service.

    So yeah, I guess I DO have to wear the underwear until it's grungy because
    it's the last underwear I'm going to be able to get.
    Moreover, they hand out antibiotics for colds just to get the whining
    patient off their back, which is exactly wrong.
    I'll buy that, but I don't have that much sympathy -- at least you've found
    contacts that fit.

    BTW, Costco offers the best price on my prescription, much better than the
    on-line places. The doc matched that price, providing I show him my Costco
    card. Have you tried asking if he'll sell you the contacts for the best
    price you can find outside his office?

    "Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
    the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the
    bodies of the people who pissed me off."
    The Real Bev, Mar 14, 2006
  20. Charles

    Charles Guest

    Same here somewhat but in my case I see a Retina specialist once a year
    because of a detached retina a number of years ago. He does not fit
    contacts. I don't think he would be up on most contact lens issues.

    If there were a problem with the contact fit he would only tell me to
    see the optometrist. In any case my response to the "other" Charles was
    based on the presumption that he was not seeing any other eye doctor to
    check his eye health.

    The fitters are definitly a mixed lot. I had to try different ones
    before finding a good one.
    There is more to it than the refraction.
    My experience is that it has taken some trial and error to get the
    right prescription. But that is because I desire multi-focal contacts.
    And I ended up with a prescription that is not perfect. I don't think
    it is an issue with the Optometrist. I think the issue is my eyes.
    There is not going to be a perfect prescription for my eyes with the
    current products and state of the manufactorers art for multifocal
    contacts. At least I don't have to use readers. The non-multifocal
    contacts were a perfect fit for distance vision but I had to use
    readers. I prefer the less than perfect multifocals and not having to
    use the readers. My choice.
    Charles, Mar 14, 2006
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