Optometry School choices and funding

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by Steven Stone, Oct 20, 2007.

  1. Steven Stone

    Steven Stone Guest

    My daughter is considering applying to the following schools

    SUNY Optometry in NYC
    Pennsylvania College of Optometry in Elkins Park, PA
    New England College of Optometry in Boston

    Any pros or cons to any of these schools ?
    We are closest to NYC. SUNY costs are $15k per year.
    The other two schools are about $30k per year.

    I've paid her way for the first four years of college.
    Nothing really left to fund another four years of school, unless I
    start selling body parts on eBay.

    What is the best way to fund four years of Optometry school ?

    Steve
     
    Steven Stone, Oct 20, 2007
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    Dan Abel Guest


    Loans are traditional. It's not like she is getting a master's in
    history, which will qualify her for almost nothing. An OD should be
    able to get a job fairly quickly. You may have to sign for the loans,
    though.

    Best idea is to contact the financial aid people at the schools. The
    deal may be the same, or else the more expensive schools may have more
    scholarships (or not).
     
    Dan Abel, Oct 20, 2007
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  3. Steven Stone

    Guest Guest

    Your daughter can also get a job to help pay her way thru school, it's
    a time honored tradition.
     
    Guest, Oct 21, 2007
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    Zetsu Guest

    She can farm characters in WOW and when they are level 70, she can
    sell them on ebay. I think they are worth about fifty pounds per
    character, so if she works hard on it she can make quite a lot in very
    short time. I used to do it and made quite a lot too.
     
    Zetsu, Oct 21, 2007
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    Neil Brooks Guest

    Sorry. Rishi Giovanni Gatti (Zetsu), Lena102938, and Otis Brown are
    trolls who haunt s.m.v.

    Rishi has published, and is trying to sell worthless books.

    Otis is pathologically dishonest and actually hurts people.
    Following his advice can induce double vision in those
    not working closely with an eye doctor.

    Lena102938 uses anti-eye doctor rhetoric as a substitute for ANY
    actual information. It seems she now has to wear glasses and has
    developed a pathological (and ILLOGICAL) resentment toward the
    industry that "foisted these glasses upon her."

    You'd do well to ignore them and wait for responses from the
    caring, compassionate eye doctors who DO also participate in this site.
     
    Neil Brooks, Oct 21, 2007
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  6. Steven Stone

    Steven Stone Guest

    |On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:39:12 GMT, Steven Stone
    |
    |>What is the best way to fund four years of Optometry school ?
    |
    |As a current OD, I'd tell her to find a different profession.

    Why ?
    What do you dislike about your current situation ?

    Steve


    |
     
    Steven Stone, Oct 22, 2007
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  7. Steven Stone

    Steven Stone Guest

    |Your daughter can also get a job to help pay her way thru school, it's
    |a time honored tradition.
    |
    |

    She has worked every summer, but $9 per hour only goes so far.
     
    Steven Stone, Oct 22, 2007
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  8. Steven Stone

    Neil Brooks Guest

    [snip]

    That was a really exceptional and comprehensive response ... if a bit
    disheartening.

    As a popcorn-eating bystander (really?), thanks :)

    Neil
     
    Neil Brooks, Oct 22, 2007
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    Dan Abel Guest

    Do you have any suggestions, or better yet, explanations? I've been
    told that ODs do a lot better than most people with advanced degrees,
    like history, anthropology or art.
     
    Dan Abel, Oct 22, 2007
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  10. Steven Stone

    Steven Stone Guest

    |Too much school for too little pay!
    |

    Thanks for being up front on the subject.

    Steve
     
    Steven Stone, Oct 22, 2007
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    otisbrown Guest

    otisbrown, Oct 22, 2007
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    Neil Brooks Guest

    Jealous?

    Two things you've never been...
     
    Neil Brooks, Oct 22, 2007
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    otisbrown Guest

    Go back to eating your popcorn, Neil.

     
    otisbrown, Oct 22, 2007
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  14. Steven Stone

    Steven Stone Guest

    |
    |
    |You should be able to make more than that graduating with a marketing
    |or business degree straight from college.
    |
    |> or better yet, explanations?
    |
    |Let me put it this way:
    |
    |How much should a person who has gone to 4 years of college, then 4
    |years of post-graduate work and accumulated sizeable student loans
    |($100K-$200K) make to make that investment "worth it".
    |

    My nephew graduated from college with a business degree.
    He is managing a bookstore for a national chain found in most malls,
    starting at $37K annual.



    A friend is in a trade union. He is 60 years old.
    He works with sheet metal. The union managed his pension and others in
    the union into oblivion. He does residential roofing on weekends to
    feed his family. He doesn't get much union work because non union is
    less expensive.

    Another friend manages his families small motel.
    He does okay. There is lots of money in rooms that rent by the hour in
    urban areas.

    Many people do okay as plumbers and electricians. The plumber down the
    street has almost the biggest brick house on the block, always new cars
    in the driveway. The guy who owns a local auto repair shop, charges
    fair prices, has a bigger brick house than the plumber, on 8 acres of
    land. Need your oil changed ?


    Thanks and good luck,
    Steve
     
    Steven Stone, Oct 22, 2007
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  15. Steven Stone

    Guest Guest

    Negative Nellies need not aply.


    You have to think outside the box on this. Where is it written she
    has to go to OD school right now. With her degree right now, she can
    get a full time decent paying job, save some money and then go on to
    OD school. being close to NYC, while she's working she can take some
    part time classes, where she can receive credit toward classes an
    optometry college.


    Also, SUNY schools are excellent and are honored by employers around
    the US.
     
    Guest, Oct 22, 2007
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  16. Steven Stone

    Guest Guest

    By all means, she should decide on her lifes ambition on an idiot
    (Otis Brown) and an internet website.

    Think about it.
     
    Guest, Oct 22, 2007
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    Neil Brooks Guest

    No, no, Otis. I'm serious.

    Honest ... accurate ... correct ... logical ... reasonable ...
    responsive ....

    These are all qualities that do not apply to you.

    I could see why you might be jealous.
     
    Neil Brooks, Oct 22, 2007
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  18. Steven Stone

    Neil Brooks Guest

    By the way, Otis ....

    That site has A TOTAL OF 974 members. Assuming, arguendo (I'm certain
    it's not the case) that ALL of these people are active and unhappy as
    OD's (as opposed to, say, lurkers, or ... trolls ... like yourself),
    what percentage of licensed U.S. optometrists does that represent?

    You've ALWAYS had sample size issues ... among many other issues ....
    but ... could you help us out in this case?

    I'll take a quick stab at it:

    Use this data:

    http://bhpr.hrsa.gov/healthworkforce/reports/factbook02/FB501.htm

    Following established trends, there are probably some 36,095 licensed
    optometrists in this country (and you, who practices medicine WITHOUT
    a license, but I digress) today.

    So ... you have the opinion of 2.7% of licensed optometrists
    represented in this online bitch room.

    My, but it takes a special kind of ... um .... diminished capacity to
    parade THAT around as significant.

    But you fit the bill, dear boy ... you fit the bill ;-)
     
    Neil Brooks, Oct 22, 2007
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    p.clarkii Guest

    Optometry is a good career, especially for women. What makes it good
    is that working in a commercial situation you can be flexible with
    your hours so that you can manage the other aspects of your life and
    still maintain a career. All you need is a partner who can work some
    time at your practice for you. For example, my wife has been an
    optometrist for 26 years and when our children were born she dropped
    her working time down to 2-3 days per week and the rest of the time
    she cared for the kids. At that time I had a conventional M-F mid-
    management job at a medical products company.

    Later on, I got fed up with the Dilbert-like aspects of working at a
    Fortune 500 company and quit and went to Optometry school myself. I
    already had earned a PhD degree in physiological optics when I was
    younger and in graduate school so the training aspects, aside from the
    clinical training, came easily to me and I already had a good
    background in the area. Now we are both practicing together and
    between the two of us (working 8 days a week total with two of us) at
    a commercial location we gross $200+ per year. We live in the mid-
    west so that income goes a long way. Now let me make a few bullet
    points here before this response gets too long:

    - some ODs will bad-mouth commercial optometrists as doing fast exams
    and poor quality work. Thats BS. The OD does whatever quality exam
    he wants to no matter what his practice location is. I know for a
    fact that we do higher quality work that some of the private docs
    working in our area. This profession is going commercial and its an
    irresistable force. You can join it and adapt to it, or you can whine
    about it and make up false claims about it.

    - a hugely important trend in the market is the impact of refractive
    surgery. I picked up a few days working at a refractive surgeons
    office in our area 2 years ago and I was shocked at how many of my
    (former) patients were going there. Now I see kids for exams while
    there parents smile at me and tell me they have gotten LASIK. this is
    a trend that is shrinking the market for optometrists unless they
    learn to adjust. Optometrists who have depended on primarily
    refractions and glasses or contacts for their income are fighting form
    a dwindling number of patients. Its more and more important for
    optometrists to switch to medical management systems and practice the
    full scope of our professional licensure by treating glaucoma, dry
    eye, etc. by billing medical insurance programs and having the
    appropriate equipment to manage those patients. Your daughter will be
    trained on all those aspects of optometry in school and she will need
    that to be successful in the future.

    - The lack of benefits that optometrists have (no retirement, no
    health insurance, etc.) makes it critical that they wisely invest a
    portion of their income into that area. and its expensive.

    - The health care system in the US is about to change. The impact
    for optometrists is unknown but I think it will be positive.

    In the end I would give a qualified Yes to earning an optometry
    degree. Now is a time of change in the profession but I wouldn't
    chime the death bells just yet. Just keep your eyes open and adjust
    for the future.
     
    p.clarkii, Oct 22, 2007
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  20. Steven Stone

    Steven Stone Guest

    Thank you for sharing some positive thoughts on this career.

    An article in one of my regions newspapers suggested that the
    results of refractive surgery may not always be a life time solution.
    As people age their vision will change, and they will once again have
    to see the surgeon or opt for glasses or contacts.
     
    Steven Stone, Oct 22, 2007
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