Problem with No-Line Bifocals

I respect you , your knowledge your job and what you doing.
Mike, you and people at this site not another crap.(I do not have any
other word to use)

It is not the same.
It is the same when "science" start working.
Everybody around have not been cought by OD They just use reading
glasses for reading.

Smart statements "headaches becauce of not wearing all the time" from
the person with surrogate
knowledge,(instead of go to neurologist ) just sank vision and push
into glasses, which not really comfy.

did not solve headaches problem or prevented from getting into
emergency room.

 

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Nothing that MIKE said supports what YOU say.

Nothing in the EVIDENCE supports what you say.

Just like Otis, you are starting with a belief, and then making up
data to support it.

You must be a lousy physicist, huh?

 

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Lena believes that if that VERY FIRST BARBER had never cut your hair,
your hair would NOT have begun to grow.

Lena believes that if they NEVER put you in SHOES, your FEET would not
have begun to grow.

Lena believes a lot of things....

 

I'm not sure I agree with this entirely.

If my laptop were working, I'd send the cite/article, but ... cadaver
testing showed that -- even THROUGH presbyopia -- the ciliary force
exerted continues to rise. It seems to be PRIMARILY the lenticular
elasticity that gives rise to presbyopia.

Actually, I found the header info:

THE FORCE OF CONTRACTION OF THE HUMAN
CILIARY MUSCLE DURING ACCOMMODATION
BY R. F. FISHER

Judd Street, London WC1H 9QS
(Received 16 July 1976)

[fascinating stuff!]
This also explains how accommodation can be readily restored with
accommodating IOL's. I have little doubt that -- when the designs of
AIOL's can offer a 70 year old person 15d of accommodation -- the
functional accommodative system will comply.

 

Mike,
lens theory it is 1970 th, still at age of 61 not 40


Now it is little different:
http://www.iovs.org/cgi/content/abstract/38/3/569

http://www.iovs.org/cgi/content/abstract/40/6/1162

Their always be fricks making uncomfortable "research"
Their always will be fricks like the one who took culture of bacteria
in 1984
to prove his point.

it is a enough research about Myopia by now too.
It is a play with data to push sales
Again i do not mean ODs, they are themselves "victims"
Simply show goes on.

It is possible Only in medicine.
If bridge not in agreement with nature it will fall.

But Nature is not subject to be changed by managers.

 

They aren't new, at least not here in the US. The insurance companies
pay for these glasses. Insurance companies don't throw money away.
They increase employee productivity. People who can't see the computer
can't do their work as well. Employers are willing to pay for this.

 

Congrats.
probably because of that 61% in glasses.

glasses are cheaper than good monitor
I do not mean that 21" LCD

 

61 from article.
Probably women instead go to job and pretend that she is
very important manager should sit at home, take care of kids
and cook dinner instead of stuffing men with TV dinner,
cereal , fat- free dressing ,sugar free candies
and the others products where list of ingridients
the one should read 1/2 hour each.

Why they need progressives?
They still not read ingredients .

 

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I think this is both interesting and informative, Lena.

I think we ought to linger on it for just a moment or two.

It seems to me that Mike Tyner is taking a novel approach to this --
measuring, reading, studying, and using clinical experience to inform
HIS opinions.

What do YOU use as the basis for yours??

TIA,

Neil

 

It drives me crazy to watch my wife at the computer. Her head is
pointed up in the air. She could just wear OTC reading glasses, but
prefers not to, even though she uses the computer for work purposes
several hours a day.

 

You did not read my ref

http://www.iovs.org/cgi/content/abstract/38/3/569

Presbiopia it is reading glassest ill like 70
Progressives all time wearing
I agree with accommodation

Again who have not been with OD has
his/her own presbiopia sutisfied through glasses in grossery stories.

Most of people at 40-50 do that.
now they educate population very intensly about miracle of computer
glasses
sorry for spelling

 

Though bad, your spelling is the least of your issues.

 

Not every eyes.
Why it is clear? They did not measure people who never have came.

Next

Then at 60 everybody should be at least +10 where are they ?

Just adaptation
Miopic Eye adopts to glasses, they give more -0.5D everything will be
very
clear Very crisp. Everybody will chose -0.5D bigger

10 years ago I tryied to wear -3 for 2-3 hours having 20/20
I can take it , if PD is correct.
I even like it it is fun everything was very very crisp.
It was 20/20 with -3 D overcorrection.

I lost 4 years ago.

Been like Zestu and saying like her.

I induced only the opposite reaction

Now I know how to make it (not from that site From exspierence). Too
late.
Person in glasses not going to give them up so easily.
if the doctor sad. If it is 600$ it should be Hi tech and
the best by definition.

 

you are right. actually the mechanism of accommodation and presbyopia
is still not entirely understood. i use the phrase "ciliary muscle
relaxing" as a way to explain the situation to novices (like lena) but
it might be that the crystalline lens gets less pliable. but I really
think that its due to the crystalline growing in size.
embryologically the lens is derived from surface ectoderm that also
gives rise to hair, fingernails, and skin, all of which continue to
grow throughout our life. as we age the lens continues to grow so
that, around age 40, the lens gets to such a size that the zonule
fibers begin to get slack and muscle contraction cannot put tension on
the lens the sufficient to change its shape and focus at near like
when it was smaller. there are mixed research results on whether
dissected cadaver lenses really are less pliable. and while it is
clear that the ciliary muscle does indeed atrophy (from electron
micrographic studies), it is not clear whether that is the cause of
presbyopia or an effect of not achieving tension on the muscle which
secondarily causes muscle fiber atrophy.

regardless, the observation that pushing the plus on a hyperope versus
holding minimal plus in the end results in the same prescription
outcome at approximately age 60.

 

To look back and forth from left to right, I prefer
turning my eyeballs and keeping head straight forward to
having to keep twisting my head back and forth just to
see something.

Therefore, for me, bifocals and trifocals, not progressives.

Also, prefer "executive" (straight line across, halfway up)
style to curved-line types.

YMMV, of course.

David

 

To look back and forth from left to right, I prefer

This will result in bad strain of the eyemind, and further your
imperfect sight. If you wish to feel well again, you should keep your
head moving as you move your eyes left and right, in the same
direction. Anyway what kind of laziness is that; keeping your head
still all the time. It is not like it takes energy much at all just to
move your head.

 

Mike,

Not just an illusion; but wrong illusions in the mind is a factor in
the imperfect sight. When the illusions is corrected so is the
eyesight.

 

Sorry. Rishi Giovanni Gatti (Zetsu), Lena102938, and Otis Brown are
trolls who haunt s.m.v.

Rishi has published, and is trying to sell worthless books.

Otis is pathologically dishonest and actually hurts people.
Following his advice can induce double vision in those
not working closely with an eye doctor.

Lena102938 uses anti-eye doctor rhetoric as a substitute for ANY
actual information. It seems she now has to wear glasses and has
developed a pathological (and ILLOGICAL) resentment toward the
industry that "foisted these glasses upon her."

You'd do well to ignore them and wait for responses from the
caring, compassionate eye doctors who DO also participate in this
site.

 

Hello Neil,

I am still waiting for the caring, compassionate eye doctors to materialize.
It's been 10 years now and they still are nowhere to be found... or should I get my eyes tested?