Shamir Creation vs Varilux Comfort?

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by louise, Feb 6, 2007.

  1. louise

    louise Guest

    I had progressives - Varilux Comfort for several years.

    I got a new prescription and got the Definity because I
    wanted a wider corridor (I think that's what you call it).
    The prescription was incorrect and had to be redone. The
    reading was moved to +3.25 which meant I could no longer use
    the Definity.

    As a replacement, I was given the Shamir Creation when the
    prescription was replaced and the Definity was no longer

    So, how does the Creation compare to the Definity and how
    does it compare to my original Varilux Comfort lenses in
    terms of width of corridor and overall quality of the lens?


    louise, Feb 6, 2007
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  2. louise

    Mark A Guest

    The Creation is specifically designed to offer a flatter, thinner lens
    suitable for rimless and half frames, even for higher power Rx's. But
    in exchange, you get smaller viewing areas (distance, mid, and
    reading). If you are not using a rimless or half frame, or don't have
    a problem with your Rx causing the lens to be too curved, then there
    are better Shamir designs. The Genisis or the Autograph have bigger
    viewing areas. I am not sure which is comparable to the Definity in
    Mark A, Feb 6, 2007
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  3. louise

    louise Guest

    Thanks to both of you for your suggestions.

    I think my biggest problem is finding an optician who makes
    the kind of fine distinctions and careful analyses that both
    of you are making.

    I've gone to the most "upscale" opticians I know of, and
    each one seems to have one or two lenses that they "prefer"
    and that is what they recommend. When I initially
    questioned the Definity, I got told the optician had very
    good experience with it and people usually accommodate quite

    When I went to another upscale optician, I got told a Zeiss
    lens would be the best for my prescription. Why? Because
    that would work best with your vision......

    I am not using a rimless, nor a half frame and when I was
    told the Definity wouldn't work with the high read (I do
    like being able to read with them and would rather not give
    up that option), I was told the "best" lens for me would be
    the Creation. At the time I just said ok, thinking the
    optician knew more than I did. Now that I have the
    Creation, I see that it has a narrow viewing area, much like
    my complaint about the Varilux Comfort.

    And....since the optician re-made the lens for free because
    of a change in prescription, it occurs to me that maybe he
    recommended a less expensive lens than the Definity to make
    up some of the cost. Now I think I'm stuck with them
    because they were already made again.

    The frustrating thing for me is that I am in the middle of
    NYC - in Manhattan - I have access to good care but I don't
    know how to evaluate it. The optician I'm now involved with
    (Definity, Creation etc), was recommended by a friend who is
    an architect and very fussy about his sight but the lens
    recommendations may not have been so great.

    I am also planning to get new computer progressives - I wear
    these more often than any other glasses, and I'm not sure
    where to go - but most importantly, how to evaluate the
    recommendations I get.

    Are there ways to evaluate - "trick" questions to ask?

    Thanks once again.

    louise, Feb 7, 2007
  4. louise

    James Guest

    One of the reasons that progressives cost so much, is that the manufacturers
    will allow a free remake because of a Rx change, fitting problem, or
    exchange to another lens design if there is a failure to adapt. The retail
    optician does not bear the cost of the remake (unless it is a very large
    chain and they purchase the lenses wholesale and absorb the remake cost
    themselves). But I don't know if they will allow a 2nd free remake.

    The optician should not have switched brands without your permission (not
    sure if this happened). Since it is a different brand (Shamir), maybe the
    new manufacturer will allow a remake to the Genesis or Autograph. The
    Autograph may cost more though.
    James, Feb 7, 2007
  5. louise

    louise Guest

    The optician phoned saying that with my new prescription I
    couldn't use the Definity and he recommended the Creation.
    He may or may not have told me they were made by different
    companies. My distress is that the corridor is so narrow
    that they are no better than my Varilux Comfort were - and I
    went specifically asking for a wider corridor.

    louise, Feb 7, 2007
  6. louise

    James Guest

    I would refer your Optician to the Shamir website were there is a diagram of
    the various viewing areas of the progressive lenses they offer, and it
    clearly shows that the Creation has a smaller viewing areas for distance,
    mid, and near compared to the Genesis and Autograph. The website also
    specifically states the Creation is designed to be flat for drill mounts and
    half frames (it should be fairly self evident to an optician that when you
    gain some thing in a lens design such as flatness, that something else will

    Then I would ask for a refund or a remake in a different Shamir lens.
    James, Feb 7, 2007
  7. louise

    James Guest


    If your new Rx is more than +.50 higher in the reading add power than your
    old Comforts, then you viewing areas in the new lenses are probably going to
    be smaller (or at best the same) regardless of which lens you choose.
    James, Feb 7, 2007
  8. louise

    louise Guest

    Thanks again - I am getting used to the Creation - but it is
    kind of narrow - maybe unavoidable with such a high read +3.25.

    NOW - computer glasses - progressives for screen and
    reading. This time I'm trying to do the research before
    trusting the optician :)

    This same optician, who I may or may not go back to,
    strongly recommends the Shamir Office.

    Is there anything else that might be better? Here I would
    definitely be willing to pay more for a lens with a wide
    viewing area; these are the glasses I use the most.

    louise, Feb 8, 2007
  9. louise

    louise Guest

    Thanks a lot for your advice. I have one problem with it.

    My habit is to walk around the room where my computer is
    (21" Sony CRT about 21" away from me at the moment). I walk
    over to my desk, get papers, read them, go back to the
    computer with them, go to the kitchen and get a snack, come
    back to the computer etc.

    In other words, I move around a lot and a lens that was just
    limited to 22" plus reading might prevent me from doing that?

    Why would you object to a PAL for the computer?

    Thanks once again.

    louise, Feb 8, 2007
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