Tight neckties boost glaucoma risk

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by Wilson da Silva, Jul 29, 2003.

  1. Thought the following might be of interest ...

    Tight neckties boost glaucoma risk

    Wearing a tight necktie can increase the chances of developing
    glaucoma, a group of serious eye diseases, researchers have found.

    http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s912432.htm
     
    Wilson da Silva, Jul 29, 2003
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  2. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    Maybe it causes unnecessary strain, see Bates for more about this.
     
    Kory Postma, Jul 29, 2003
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  3. Wilson da Silva

    Mike Tyner Guest

    Or maybe it reduces retinal perfusion. No that's silly - it can't be hydraulics
    or venous return or any of that stuff.. it must be.. I know- strain!

    See one of the books on glaucoma for more on this.. preferably something written
    in the last half-century...

    -MT
     
    Mike Tyner, Jul 29, 2003
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  4. Wilson da Silva

    drfrank21 Guest


    You're fast losing credibility w. statements like the above.
    Try cutting off your jugulars with digital pressure if you're
    in the experimenting mood and see what you feel is simply "stress".

    frank
     
    drfrank21, Jul 29, 2003
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  5. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    Well got a better explanation besides blood flow?
     
    Kory Postma, Jul 30, 2003
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  6. It's pretty obvious to me that ties amplify environmental gamma radiation,
    causing irritation and swelling of the passages that clear ocular humours.

    Did the original study do a control for ties with and without metallic
    fibers? Perhaps wrapping the tie in tinfoil would shield the effects.

    Scott
     
    Scott Seidman, Jul 30, 2003
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  7. Wilson da Silva

    nipidoc Guest

    While no one is suggesting that this is the mechanism involved, poor
    blood perfusion has been linked to a whole host of neuroligical
    diseases, as well as diseases of the eye.

    So, it seems much more likely that blood flow would be an issue rather
    than some vague indefinable concept like "mental strain."

    In fact, reading all these idiotic posts about Bates and his methods
    curing everything from keratoconus to macular degeneration to cancer,
    I get so much mental strain that I can't believe I'm not a 20 diopter
    myope with an IOP of 55.

    nipidoc
     
    nipidoc, Jul 30, 2003
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  8. Wilson da Silva

    drfrank21 Guest

    Either you're now starting to troll or that you've become
    stupified by Bates. Either way, your credibility is shot
    with me.

    frank
     
    drfrank21, Jul 30, 2003
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  9. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    What credibility? You never believed anything I said anyhow. I was
    only asking what you thought it could be besides blood flow? Also, no
    one here has ever tried Bates methods correctly (besides the few
    proponents here who have tried it correctly).

    How is it that I can see better by placing my palms over my eyes and
    then looking? How is it that sometimes when I wake up I can read
    6/10, but other days I can't read 6/50 and at night it is hard to read
    6/70? But by palming I can get back to around 6/20 to 6/10?

    How would you explain this if you had to?

    Kory
     
    Kory Postma, Jul 30, 2003
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  10. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    That is an interesting prospective, and somewhat believable. Any
    links to the original study? Or can someone post the abstract?
     
    Kory Postma, Jul 30, 2003
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  11. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    He never said he could cure cancer. What is IOP btw?
     
    Kory Postma, Jul 30, 2003
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  12. Wilson da Silva

    LarryDoc Guest

    Sorry Scott. It's not the gamma radiation, but the delta which is
    causing a rift in the dimensional warp stabalizer. (You probably
    received an email about this issue recently.)

    The fix is to tie the tie in the opposite direction while maintaing a
    state of perfect relaxation. This heals the rift and returns the
    pressure to baseline readings.

    You can learn more about this in the Bates book, Italian edition which
    can purchase from Rishii.

    --LB

    --

    Dr. Larry Bickford, O.D.
    Family Practice Optometry Eye & Vision Care
    The EyecareConnection
    http://www.eyecarecontacts.comREMOVE-SPAMTRAP
    email: larrybic at mac dot com

    **Information posted for educational purposes only. Consult with
    your doctor for diagnose and treatment of medical issues.
     
    LarryDoc, Jul 30, 2003
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  13. Wilson da Silva

    Jim Lawton Guest

    did none of you guys go read the OPs link? :-

    In today's issue of the British Journal of Ophthalmology, researchers report
    that a tight necktie raises blood pressure in the eye, which is a leading risk
    factor in the illness that can lead to damage to the optic nerve and loss of
    vision.

    "A tight necktie increases IOP [intraocular pressure] in both normal subjects
    and glaucoma patients and could affect the diagnosis and management of
    glaucoma," said Dr Robert Ritch of the New York Eye and Ear Infirmary in the
    United States.

    etc etc
    J

    by the way, in the extreme case of necktie overtightening, fatalities can occur.
    Why's that?
     
    Jim Lawton, Jul 30, 2003
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  14. God, please let him be kidding.

    I'm sure now -- if I was a scumbag, I would be rich.

    Scott
     
    Scott Seidman, Jul 30, 2003
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  15. ;)--Excellent advice. I'm giving up ties, entirely, anyway. Seems like
    half my ties are too long, and half too short. The strain of getting
    that knot just right is starting to give me cataracts.

    Signal to Noise here seems to have hit an all time low, Larry. It's
    pretty discouraging.

    We've apparently hit the second generation of Batesians now. People who
    would have trouble passing "Taping Things Together 101" are now issuing
    second-hand medical advice that they don't even understand. If Bates
    were 100% right, and not 98% wrong, they still wouldn't understand the
    advice they're handing out any more than my parrot understands why he
    verbally thanks his vet. I don't understand it at all. Best I can tell,
    some of these folks must be planning capital crimes, and are doing their
    best to establish a diminished capacity defense in advance.

    I hope that when the new age promoters reach hell, they will be
    confronted by a long line of people with time-sensitive ocular disorders
    who could have sought medical treatment, but were discouraged from doing
    so.


    Keep up the good fight
    Scott
     
    Scott Seidman, Jul 30, 2003
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  16. Wilson da Silva

    Edward Guest

    *lmao*

    Edward
     
    Edward, Jul 31, 2003
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  17. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    New York Eye and Ear Infirmary, I think Bates was there and that is
    the place that kicked him out for curing people. Am I right Rishi? I
    don't have the book by my side at the moment nor the magazines.

    Kory

     
    Kory Postma, Jul 31, 2003
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  18. Wilson da Silva

    drfrank21 Guest

    Are you serious or just being foolish??

    Tell that to a gentleman I saw a couple of days ago with a retinal
    detachment and had surgery to repair.Without the timely diagnosis
    and surgery by the retina doc he would be blind right about now.

    I almost think that myself and the other eye providers here (M.T.,
    Dr.Judy, et al) should just leave this newsgroup so that you and
    Rishigg can spout
    all the virtues of Bates while spewing venemous anti-optometry
    propaganda
    (nitwit Rishig in particular). Or better yet, you guys can start a
    Bates
    newsgroup yourself and leave this newsgroup to serious issues.

    frank
     
    drfrank21, Jul 31, 2003
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  19. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    My doctor ....

    wait at first I was going to say he/she didn't cause it, but now you
    are starting to make me think. I can't answer that question sorry.

    If Bates' methods were actually put to use then I wouldn't need
    glasses today, they would have used his suggestions in the classrooms
    and many people would not be myopic.

    Basically what Bates said was to put an eye chart in each and every
    room, have all of the kids look at it each day with one eye each and
    then both eyes and he said it prevented myopia. Which makes sense
    because it will prevent the kids from continuing their bad vision
    habits once they look at the chart and can not see it as well while
    doing bad vision habits.

    Kory
     
    Kory Postma, Jul 31, 2003
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  20. Wilson da Silva

    LarryDoc Guest

    The question, Frank, is "are YOU being foolish" wasting your time
    replying to the likes of Kory/Rishii/Rishigg ? Why, oh why, do you
    bother?

    Trolls need feeding to stay alive.

    Please don't feed the trolls.

    --Larry

    --

    Dr. Larry Bickford, O.D.
    Family Practice Optometry Eye & Vision Care
    The EyecareConnection
    http://www.eyecarecontacts.comREMOVE-SPAMTRAP
    email: larrybic at mac dot com

    **Information posted for educational purposes only. Consult with
    your doctor for diagnose and treatment of medical issues.
     
    LarryDoc, Jul 31, 2003
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