Tight neckties boost glaucoma risk

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by Wilson da Silva, Jul 29, 2003.

  1. Different issue comes up. Are the eye care professionals lending
    credibility to these quacks by posting to the same forum? Is Joe Public
    able to differentiate?

    Scott
     
    Scott Seidman, Jul 31, 2003
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  2. Wilson da Silva

    Rishigg Guest

    drfrank21 wrote:

    Mr. Frank, be frank and fair: tell us your detached man if he had ever
    worn glasses and how was his refraction at time of the accident.
    I think I am serious.
    Many people need to know what is the truth about vision.
    It is a scientific truth anybody can demonstrate for himself.
    Who are you to judge if my thing is not serious?

    --
    "As surely as any soldier ever died on the field, Dr. Bates gave his
    life for a cause, battling against fate, during many years of
    magnificent struggle, when the unending disappointment finally broke in
    hopeless despair. His torch is still burning. There will come some other
    battler, who is fit, and will hold it high until the people who are
    sitting in darkness have seen its great light."
    William B. MacCracken, M.D.
    (1937, Berkeley CA)
     
    Rishigg, Jul 31, 2003
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  3. Wilson da Silva

    Rishigg Guest

    Again this Larry once in a while become scared and reasserts his idiotic
    behaviour.

    Mr. larry has nothing to contribute to imperfect sight cures.

    He is just a fraud, a man of no compassion, an ignorant one.

    He knows nothing about vision, but has some kind of licence, useless,
    that his government has granted him, because we live in a society which
    is foolish, of course.

    --
    "As surely as any soldier ever died on the field, Dr. Bates gave his
    life for a cause, battling against fate, during many years of
    magnificent struggle, when the unending disappointment finally broke in
    hopeless despair. His torch is still burning. There will come some other
    battler, who is fit, and will hold it high until the people who are
    sitting in darkness have seen its great light."
    William B. MacCracken, M.D.
    (1937, Berkeley CA)
     
    Rishigg, Jul 31, 2003
    #23
  4. Wilson da Silva

    Edward Guest

    Now, THAT premise would make a good story...


    "Dr. Frank," said Francisco, his voice solemnly calm, "if you saw Atlas,
    the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood,
    blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but
    still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the
    greater his effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders-what
    would you tell him to do?"

    "I . . . don't know. What . . . could he do? What would you tell him?"

    "To shrug."


    -Edward
     
    Edward, Jul 31, 2003
    #24
  5. Wilson da Silva

    LarryDoc Guest

    Good point, Scott.

    I believe that some of us docs feel inclined to reply to counter the
    myths and misinformation spewing forth from the quacks and the likes of
    Kory/Rishii etc.

    I dissappeared from this forum for sometimes weeks or months at a time
    and return to see the same BS. Boring, useless, tiresome. Too bad.

    Please, folks, dont feed the trolls! The best response, IMHO, is to
    either ignore them or a one sentence: "the poster's comments should be
    taken as anecedotal and not based in science. " and leave it at that.
    Engaging in discussion with someone who doesn't understand or care about
    the meaning of science is counterproductive. There ARE newsgroups for
    speculation and opinion.

    --Larry

    --

    Dr. Larry Bickford, O.D.
    Family Practice Optometry Eye & Vision Care
    The EyecareConnection
    http://www.eyecarecontacts.comREMOVE-SPAMTRAP
    email: larrybic at mac dot com

    **Information posted for educational purposes only. Consult with
    your doctor for diagnose and treatment of medical issues.
     
    LarryDoc, Jul 31, 2003
    #25
  6. Wilson da Silva

    Dan Abel Guest


    When I was a little kid, the teachers were always putting stuff up on the
    walls that we were supposed to look at. If we couldn't see the details,
    we would be missing part of what we were supposed to be learning. How is
    putting an eye chart up on the wall any different than putting up an
    equally detailed map, chart or poster?



    Frankly, I'm a little paranoid myself about fee for service medicine. The
    idea that a surgeon will make big bucks by slicing and dicing me, but just
    a few bucks if they see me and recommend no surgery, makes me nervous. I
    like belonging to an HMO where the surgeon gets paid the same salary
    whether they recommend for or against surgery.




    The top posting makes this a little hard to follow, but to show Kory's
    level of paranioa, Scott has made it pretty clear that he doesn't practice
    medicine in any way, shape or form.
     
    Dan Abel, Jul 31, 2003
    #26
  7. Wilson da Silva

    Dan Abel Guest


    The dress is pretty informal where I work. There aren't a lot of ties. I
    saw a lot of ties a couple of weeks back, at church camp. There was a
    complaint two years ago, about nudity in the sweat lodge, and we got the
    word down from above, that nudity was prohibited at the camp. Many people
    at camp were peeved about this. The young people showed their rebellion
    against the "dress" code by wearing ties. You'd see some guy in a tee
    shirt, with a tie. This wasn't restricted to the males, though. You'd
    see a young woman with a tank top, and a tie. There was a clothing
    optional beach, but since it was outside of camp, the rule couldn't be
    enforced. So, there were people at the beach wearing ties -- and nothing
    else!
     
    Dan Abel, Jul 31, 2003
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  8. Wilson da Silva

    Rishigg Guest

    I have been told that in Conficius China, the doctors were paid for
    keeping the men healthy. If men were ill, doctors could get no fee.


    --
    "As surely as any soldier ever died on the field, Dr. Bates gave his
    life for a cause, battling against fate, during many years of
    magnificent struggle, when the unending disappointment finally broke in
    hopeless despair. His torch is still burning. There will come some other
    battler, who is fit, and will hold it high until the people who are
    sitting in darkness have seen its great light."
    William B. MacCracken, M.D.
    (1937, Berkeley CA)
     
    Rishigg, Jul 31, 2003
    #28
  9. Wilson da Silva

    drfrank21 Guest

    I don't know Larry. Maybe, maybe not. Rishig is indeed just a
    garden variety troll and if you've noticed,
    I haven't responded to ANY of the
    taunts that this nitwit Rishig that lobbed/directed at me. I've
    just ignored him. As far as Kory goes,in the Bates threads you may
    notice that Mike has been furtively banging his head against a
    wall in trying to logically discuss Bates. IMO, it's a losing
    proposition to discuss anything regarding Bates to closed-minded
    supporters.

    But when I see such a nonsense quote coming from a supposedly
    highly educated person that Kory claims to be it does raise
    my curiosity to see if the guy was actually serious.

    frank
     
    drfrank21, Jul 31, 2003
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  10. Wilson da Silva

    Rishigg Guest

    Such a stupid man you are, Mr.

    You have not the courage to admit that you read my posts, and that of
    others as well, and find them damned interesting.

    But why don't you shut up?

    Why do you feel the need to express comments?

    If you avoid, you avoid, not that from the back door you whisper "ahh,
    if I were more intelligent I could have replied, but since I am idiotic,
    I stay silent, well, half silent, a whisper I concede myself".

    How come that man is so stupid and dumb?


    --
    "As surely as any soldier ever died on the field, Dr. Bates gave his
    life for a cause, battling against fate, during many years of
    magnificent struggle, when the unending disappointment finally broke in
    hopeless despair. His torch is still burning. There will come some other
    battler, who is fit, and will hold it high until the people who are
    sitting in darkness have seen its great light."
    William B. MacCracken, M.D.
    (1937, Berkeley CA)
     
    Rishigg, Jul 31, 2003
    #30
  11. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    The Bates newsgroup was first my idea.
    sci.med.vision.bates.moderated
     
    Kory Postma, Jul 31, 2003
    #31
  12. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    Trolls don't exist, or do they?

    snip
     
    Kory Postma, Jul 31, 2003
    #32
  13. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    Also, why has no doctor here tried what Rishi said? Why have we not
    heard of anyone trying it? He has posted it twice already and no one
    has said anything about it.

    It seems like you guys are too afraid to find out that maybe a lot of
    what you learned may not be the total truth.
    Kory
     
    Kory Postma, Jul 31, 2003
    #33
  14. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    I would like to logically discuss these issues. Also, if you question
    my education why not call Washington University in St. Louis,
    314-935-5000 (main operator), wait instead of that just email me:

    kjp2 - at - cec.wustl.edu

    I will send a screenshot of my academic record to you.

    Actually, why not just make it public??

    Look at the pic below, please note I transferred here in Fall of 2001.

    Also, I will include part of my record printout

    Now do you believe me?

    Anyhow, I hope some people in here will try the small experiments that
    we are asking and then will post their results.

    Kory
     
    Kory Postma, Jul 31, 2003
    #34
  15. Wilson da Silva

    Dr Judy Guest

    Great for the doctors. Since most people are not sick most of the time, the
    doctors would be busy most of the time collecting fees for doing nothing.
    Sign me up!

    Dr Judy
     
    Dr Judy, Aug 1, 2003
    #35
  16. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    Sorry many assumptions there.

     
    Kory Postma, Aug 1, 2003
    #36
  17. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    That is very interesting, I wonder how well that would work here.

    Kory
     
    Kory Postma, Aug 1, 2003
    #37
  18. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    Interesting but untrue. Bates used retinoscopy on each child and when
    he tested them after the study he put up a new eyechart that they were
    not familiar with. The ones who benefited read it fine. A drop from
    6% to about 1% was noticed over an 8 year period (as I can remember).
    I think this was a pretty long study, what do you think? Yet it was
    dismissed mainly because people said how could an eyechart prevent
    myopia and eventually when a new superintendent came into the schools
    they forced the teachers to stop using it (even though there were
    positive results). Some teachers refused to give it up, but it
    eventually ended up that there were no more left, dispite of the
    journal, the 8 year study and everything else, it has just been
    ignored.

    Kory
     
    Kory Postma, Aug 1, 2003
    #38
  19. Wilson da Silva

    Kory Postma Guest

    If you look at the average American family, every person has some
    ailment. What about your family?
    Kory
     
    Kory Postma, Aug 1, 2003
    #39
  20. Wilson da Silva

    Rishigg Guest

    Come on, there are strange cards used when testing!

    Why you still go on to make a mock of yourself?

    --
    "As surely as any soldier ever died on the field, Dr. Bates gave his
    life for a cause, battling against fate, during many years of
    magnificent struggle, when the unending disappointment finally broke in
    hopeless despair. His torch is still burning. There will come some other
    battler, who is fit, and will hold it high until the people who are
    sitting in darkness have seen its great light."
    William B. MacCracken, M.D.
    (1937, Berkeley CA)
     
    Rishigg, Aug 1, 2003
    #40
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