Well it looks like ill be giving soft contact lens orthoK a try very soon!

Discussion in 'Contact Lenses' started by acemanvx, Aug 5, 2006.

  1. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest

    My eyes really suck at -5(left) -4.5(right) they used to be worse but
    thanks to NVI they have improved about a diopter! I want to chop off
    more myopia so its soft contact lens orthoK for me! Improvements of up
    to 2 diopters have been measured for those who have tried! Ill be happy
    with at least a diopter reduction, that combined with my countined
    efforts at NVI will make a real dent in my significent myopia. Myopia
    blurs expotentionally. -1 blurs very little, -2 is three times as bad,
    -3 is many times worse, -4 is already off the charts! High myopia at -6
    is so bad without correction you are functionally blind and helpless
    without full time correction, everything would be massivately blurry, a
    bunch of fuzzy colors.
    acemanvx, Aug 5, 2006
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  2. acemanvx

    otisbrown Guest

    Good Luck, AceMan!

    But I would get some assessment of the capability of Ortho-K before
    I went too much further.

    And, as always, there is Lasik, as you posted.

    otisbrown, Aug 5, 2006
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  3. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest

    I have a clear idea of orthoK's capabilities which will become crystal
    clear with actual experience. Otis, you should consider orthoK too, you
    can reduce your prescription by more than half and improve vision
    several-fold, perhaps as much as ten-fold! Lasik is not needed for over
    95% of people nor do they have a good reason for it, especially those
    whos eyes arent that bad. OrthoK should be displacing lasik once more
    optometrists offer it and more people know about it.
    acemanvx, Aug 5, 2006
  4. acemanvx

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear AceMan,

    I must agree with Retinula on Ortho-K.

    It was developed for pilots who had to get their Snellen to
    go from 20/50 to 20/20. For THAT purpose it is worth
    the $1,600 -- perhaps.

    But at your -5 diopters (after years of wearing a strong minus) I think
    the only real prospect is Lasik for you.

    Typically -- if you use Ortho-K -- you must continue to use it.

    If you stop, the cornea will "rebound" and you will be back
    to your original refractive STATE.

    There are no "easy" solutions at all


    otisbrown, Aug 5, 2006
  5. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest

    Otis, arent you interested in orthoK? Maybe you can get your snellen
    down to 20/200 or something. This is much, much better than where you
    are at now. You still wont need glasses for reading. Maybe you want to
    be a pilot. I think you are allowed to be up to 20/200 if you clear
    20/20 with glasses then you can become a pilot! I am not interested in
    being a pilot, I just want to improve my vision. Getting down to -3 is
    almost three times better than -5! I know orthoK is temporary, ill be
    using it every other night, its as easy as brushing your teeth. NVI
    plus orthoK will make a big difference in my UCVA. You can do the same
    Otis :)
    acemanvx, Aug 5, 2006
  6. acemanvx

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear AceMan,

    Sorry, you do not understand my personal motivations in doing this
    PREVENTIVE work.

    It is rather obvious (because of the Oakley-Young study) that
    must be matter of choice -- before any minus is used.

    This must be a matter of review for the parents and child. The
    minus is profoundly "easy", and very few people feel the
    "motivation" to use is correctly.

    As your college friend August (at -1 diopter) established it -- you
    can clear your vision back to 20/20 -- PROVIDED you do not
    use a minus.

    I know that this becomes a personal choice. Given the profound
    hostility to the concept by the majority-opinion ODs on
    sci.med.vision, it is obvious that they will have nothing
    to do with successful prevention.

    And indeed you can not PAY anyone for successful PREVENTION.

    You must figure out how to do it yourself. And that
    is a tough choice for most people.

    But good luck with your "vision clearing". I still suggest
    that Ortho-K would be a poor bet for you and your will be
    disapointed in the long-term reesults of it.


    otisbrown, Aug 5, 2006
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    A Lieberma Guest

    Please prove this Otis. When are you going to learn not to talk about
    something you have no knowledge about?

    I bet you won't provide proof of what you said above, because it's non

    A Lieberma, Aug 5, 2006
  8. acemanvx

    A Lieberma Guest

    Dayem Mike,

    I better tell my FAA doc the above so he can have a rip roaring laugh. or
    two or three..... He'd probably revoke my medical for insanity if I
    suggested this LOL

    A Lieberma, Aug 5, 2006
  9. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest

    The military doesnt accept orthoK and frowns even on glasses. PRK is
    extremely popular for this reason and also because glasses are a
    liability in combat, if you lose or break them you must retreat
    carefully! OrthoK can be used for commerical pilots, firemen, cops,
    athlates and anyone for the matter that wishes for less myopia and less
    dependence on glasses.

    Dear Otis,

    I am aware of your motives for preventing myopia. Its a choice between
    the child and parent. I was never informed of that choice, majority
    opinion optometrists tell me it wouldnt have mattered. The evidence I
    read says minus is partially responsable for stair-case myopia. Had I
    never touched the minus, I probably would have been around a -2, maybe
    -3 at worst instead of the -4.5 and -5 I am now! I know genes play a
    factor, but so does environment. Thanks for the luck in me clearing my
    vision. I am too myopic to pass the 20/40 DMV but maybe I can clear
    20/200 which would be a personal achievement. May I ask why you are
    negative about orthoK? You dont think orthoK would be right for you
    either? Wondering why.

    Best regards, your friend Aceman
    acemanvx, Aug 5, 2006
  10. acemanvx

    A Lieberma Guest

    wrote in
    PLEASE prove this!!!! FAA cites PLEASE

    A Lieberma, Aug 5, 2006
  11. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest

    "I passed my Pilots FAA exam at 20/20 after testing at 20/200 only a
    few weeks ago." R.C..

    The fourth patient was a 20-year-old male who is in the military. He
    wanted to enter flight school, but could not because he had 20/200
    vision in both eyes. He wanted to become a flight candidate and he was
    interested in improving his unaided acuity so he could pass the vision
    test requirements. Within one month of treatment with orthokeratology
    lenses, he achieved 20/20 vision and he passed the flight school vision
    test. He now has unrestricted FAA clearance for flight vision testing.
    Most of the change in his vision occurred within two days of lens wear

    In January 2004, the FAA removed its restriction on Orthokeratology
    contact lenses and flying. If a pilot undergoing Ortho-K presents for a
    FAA medical

    So you are wrong, OrthoK is allowed by the FAA!
    acemanvx, Aug 6, 2006
  12. acemanvx

    A Lieberma Guest

    wrote in @i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
    Until you provide proof, it's only your word only. Please provide a FAA

    Thank you!

    A Lieberma, Aug 6, 2006
  13. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest

    Just google it, youll see that orthoK is allowed
    acemanvx, Aug 6, 2006
  14. acemanvx

    A Lieberma Guest

    wrote in
    I googled it, and it proved my point. IT DOES NOT removed the vision
    requirement restriction. For your convienance go to

    Ya might want to research what you talk about before posting, What little
    credibility you have just keeps going further south.

    A Lieberma, Aug 7, 2006
  15. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest

    I see many websites that say its allowed. Even if not, just wear your
    glasses then. Because I have no special restrictions, I can get orthoK
    and so can 99% of people.
    acemanvx, Aug 7, 2006
  16. acemanvx

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear AceMan,

    You are correct.

    The "requirements" posted by the various military organizations undergo

    What was true 30 years ago has changed -- no doubt.

    I think you posted a statement that the Naval Academy ALLOWED PRK
    for students. I think you have the report.

    And PRK or Lasik are far more "serious" than Ortho-K.

    I would not "bother" with Liberman. He gets it all wrong.

    otisbrown, Aug 7, 2006
  17. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest

    I should have orthoK available to me within about a week! Will keep you
    all updated!
    acemanvx, Aug 7, 2006
  18. acemanvx

    acemanvx Guest

    Question: how long does it take scl(soft contact lens) orthoK to start
    molding my cornea? One night's wear for results?
    acemanvx, Aug 8, 2006
  19. acemanvx

    LarryDoc Guest

    You actually asking a question? I thought you had ALL the answers!

    No one here takes you seriously, so why do you bother to ask?

    LarryDoc, Aug 9, 2006
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    CatmanX Guest

    Soft lens OK hey Larry. I've been doing OK for 14 years and never heard
    of it.

    He thinks some aberrations noted in journals are a new treatment.

    What a dickhead.

    dr grant
    CatmanX, Aug 9, 2006
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