Who decides who is "cured"?

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by otisbrown, Apr 14, 2008.

  1. otisbrown

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Second-opinion friends,

    Dr. Bates recommended that a person monitor his Snellen -- and
    CLEAR IT, i.e., pass the required line.

    This you can do for yourself -- if Bates is correct.

    But, remember, Dr. Bates spend 10 years of his life, working

    Further, these kids were NOT YET wearing a minus lens,
    and there Snellens were in the range of 20/50 to 20/70,
    (refractive STATES of from -1 to -2 diopters).

    I would never use the word "cure", (to many misconceptions),
    but the fact is that some cleared back to normal.

    It is my understanding that if you want a person to
    trust the result.

    The reason is that Dr. Bates confirmed good results,
    only to have a majority-opinion person claimed
    that "it never happened".

    Here is that discussion by second-opinion Bates.



    Dr. W. H. Bates

    Successful prevention rejected -- by people who do not like
    the idea of it.

    Chapter 32

    Why it is very important that you take control and do it

    Patients whom I have cured of various errors of refraction
    have frequently returned to specialists who had prescribed glasses
    for them, and, by reading fine print and the Snellen test card
    with normal vision, have demonstrated the fact that they were
    cured, without in any way shaking the faith of these practitioners
    in the doctrine that such cures are impossible.

    The patient with progressive myopia whose case was mentioned
    in Chapter XV returned after her cure to the specialist who had
    prescribed her glasses, and who had said not only that there was
    no hope of improvement, but that the condition would probably
    progress until it ended in blindness, to tell him the good news
    which, as an old friend of her family, she felt he had a right to
    hear. But while he was unable to deny that her vision was, in
    fact, normal without glasses, he said it was impossible that she
    should have been cured of myopia, because myopia was incurable.
    How he reconciled this statement with his former patient's
    condition he was unable to make clear to her.

    A lady with compound myopic astigmatism suffered from almost
    constant headaches which were very much worse when she took her
    glasses off, The theatre and the movies caused her so much
    discomfort that she feared to indulge in these recreations. She
    was told to take off her glasses and advised, among other things,
    to go to the movies; to look first at the corner of the screen,
    then off to the dark, then back to the screen a little nearer to
    the center, and so forth.

    She did so, and soon became able to look directly at the
    pictures without discomfort. After that nothing troubled her.
    One day she called on her former ophthalmological adviser, in the
    company of a friend who wanted to have her glasses changed, and
    told him of her cure. The facts seemed to make no impression on
    him whatever. He only laughed and said, "I guess Dr. Bates is
    more popular with you than I am."

    Sometimes patients themselves, after they are cured, allow
    themselves to be convinced that it was impossible that such a
    thing could have happened, and go back to their glasses. This
    happened in the case of a patient already mentioned in the chapter
    on Presbyopia, who was cured in fifteen minutes by the aid of his
    imagination. He was very grateful for a time, and then he began
    to talk to eye specialists whom he knew and straightway grew
    skeptical as to the value of what I had done for him.

    One day I met him at the home of a mutual friend, and in the
    presence of a number of other people he accused me of having
    hypnotized him, adding that to hypnotize a patient without his
    knowledge or consent was to do him a grievous wrong.

    Some of the listeners protested that whether I had hypnotized
    him or not, I had not only done him no harm but had greatly
    benefited him, and he ought to forgive me. He was unable,
    however, to take this view of the matter.

    Later he called on a prominent eye specialist who told him
    that the presbyopia and astigmatism from which he had suffered
    were incurable, and that if he persisted in going without. his
    glasses he might do himself great harm. The fact that his sight
    was perfect for the distance and the near-point without glasses
    had no effect upon the specialist, and the patient allowed himself
    to be frightened into disregarding it also.

    He went back to his glasses, and so far as I know has been
    wearing them ever since. The story obtained wide publicity, for
    the man had a large circle of friends and acquaintances; and if I
    had destroyed his sight I could scarcely have suffered more than I
    did for curing him.


    With all due respect, I think the word "cure" causes profound

    I would just report what the person actually read on his

    If the person passes the required Snellen (under DMV test
    conditions), then he has solved his own problem himself.

    otisbrown, Apr 14, 2008
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  2. otisbrown

    Neil Brooks Guest

    You're still an absolute fucking idiot, Otis.

    Oh, yes ... and a pathological liar, too ;-)
    Neil Brooks, Apr 14, 2008
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  3. otisbrown

    Dr Judy Guest

    Funny statement to make, as the quote from Bates that you provided in
    support of it clearly states that his patients had worn glasses.

    Dr Judy, Apr 14, 2008
  4. otisbrown

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Judy,

    Subject: OBJECTION to the minus -- is the second-opinion.

    Good catch, Judy.

    But, remember that Dr. Bates (as the second-opinion) recommended
    that the person CLEAR his Snellen (PERSONALLY) so he could
    get RID OF THAT SNELLEN -- which he objected to.

    Second-opinion best,

    otisbrown, Apr 14, 2008
  5. otisbrown

    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Judy,

    Subject: OBJECTION to the minus -- is the second-opinion.

    Good catch, Judy.


    But, remember that Dr. Bates (as the second-opinion) recommended
    that the person CLEAR his Snellen (PERSONALLY) so he could
    get RID OF THAT MINUS -- which he objected to so much

    Second-opinion best,

    otisbrown, Apr 14, 2008
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    Neil Brooks Guest

    Good to know that /somebody/ reads the blather that you post.

    Obviously, you don't.
    Neil Brooks, Apr 14, 2008
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