Why do farsighted people complain about glasses?

Discussion in 'Glasses' started by AsianMale, Jun 5, 2005.

  1. <rant>

    Ummmmm ... no. At least not if you're a high myope ... unless of
    course you want to settle for coke bottle glasses. Last year I
    "settled" for Nikon 4's because my Rx exceeded the maximum for Nikon
    5's ... still cost me over $400 (not including frames). This year I'm
    going for zeiss (the 4's are too damn thick and the 5's are again out
    of the question) ... paying $650 for those (again not including
    frames). Add about $150 for frames (not brand name) and $100 for the
    eye exam ... grand total = ~ $900 (I won't even start on contact lenses
    + contact lens fitting fee ...). Sure it's my "fault" that I want the
    thinnest lenses possible ... but I think most high myopes understand.
    :S

    <end rant>
     
    silverblue001, Jun 6, 2005
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  2. AsianMale

    The Real Bev Guest

    That's Lesson 2!
     
    The Real Bev, Jun 6, 2005
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  3. AsianMale

    The Real Bev Guest

    So these people have nothing you would find acceptable?

    http://zennioptical.com/cart/home.php
    http://www.optical4less.com/index.cgi?mode=pnormal
    http://www.39dollarglasses.com/product_info/about_our_lenses.html
     
    The Real Bev, Jun 6, 2005
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  4. Impossible to tell. I generally look for the smallest, roundest
    possible frames (that look good on me, of course). This year I spent
    five hours driving from optical store to optical store trying on frames
    before I found the right ones. Crazy? Yes. Necessary? Yes.
    Especially since I look horrible in most frames! I could never buy
    them over the internet, no matter what the cost. ;) I suppose I could
    find frames I like in a store and then search the internet for the same
    ones ... but that would probably take me another five hours. :D
     
    silverblue001, Jun 6, 2005
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  5. AsianMale

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    The punctum remotum for a farsighted person is always behind the
    retina. Therefore, either accommodation or a plus lens is required to
    place the punctum remotum on the retina. If accommodation is no longer
    possible, i.e. presbyopia, then only a plus lens will move the focus
    onto the retina. Therefore, a farsighted person is only able to see
    well at infinity when the amplitude of accommodation approximately
    equals or exceeds the refractive error. I have had many patients with
    a refractive error of +0.50 who could not read the 20/20 line on the
    Snellen chart. That's why I say that at some point in life, a
    farsighted person will perceive blur at any distance.

    It would seem that such a statement is pretty straightforward and
    irrefutable.

    DrG
     
    Dr. Leukoma, Jun 6, 2005
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  6. AsianMale

    Dr. Leukoma Guest

    Where's the proof that eyeglasses destroy eyes, Asian boy? Oh, I
    forgot. The proof is in your solipsistic young head. Living in a
    house without windows is simply a metaphor for your mind.

    DrG
     
    Dr. Leukoma, Jun 6, 2005
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  7. AsianMale

    The Real Bev Guest

    When I choose a frame I don't even look in the mirror until I have three that
    are acceptably comfortable at the minimum price ($59 including frames around
    here, +$20 for bifocals). I look better in ANY glasses, so I look in the
    mirror to make sure I haven't chosen something that looks really stupid.
    In general, I think that's cheating if you take up any of the brick+mortar
    person's time at all. I might buy super-light reading glasses from Zenni or
    one of the others, but only if I was willing to toss them because they hurt or
    prevent me from breathing through my 2mm nasal passages.
     
    The Real Bev, Jun 6, 2005
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  8. AsianMale

    AsianMale Guest

    Suicide
     
    AsianMale, Jun 6, 2005
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  9. AsianMale

    AsianMale Guest

    Although it has not been proved that not wearing glasses prevents
    According to ME. Thanks to my caring eye doctors i can only see 4
    inches in front of my face. I am pretty god damned sure this is not
    genetic. Those of you who disagree do not see what I see.
     
    AsianMale, Jun 6, 2005
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  10. AsianMale

    AsianMale Guest

    Germans do have funny glasses, but I'm pretty sure gay people have
    worse eyesight. Women are more adapted to close work. Gays and women
    both respond to testosterone the same, therefore being gay is genetic.
    Therefore gays and women have worse vision than Nazis.
     
    AsianMale, Jun 6, 2005
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  11. AsianMale

    AsianMale Guest

    The stars that I can see without glasses are roughly equivalent to
    Okay, not sure what you mean by "10 degrees off plumb", but... WAHHH
    WAHHH WAHHHH!

    You got this way yourself, the fact of the matter is that you love plus
    lenses, while us myopes hate minues lenses. To you plus lenses have
    been a drug that feels good, but to us myopes, minus lenses have been a
    drug that doesn't feel good, but only gives us migraine headaches,
    facial tension, shrunken images, and so much other bad stuff.
     
    AsianMale, Jun 6, 2005
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  12. AsianMale

    The Real Bev Guest

    I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you're not only a troll, you're an
    asshole.
     
    The Real Bev, Jun 6, 2005
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  13. AsianMale

    AsianMale Guest

    I was willing to toss them because they hurt or
    I wish I had 2mm nostrils, instead I'm stuck with what this black girl
    called "a nigger nose".
     
    AsianMale, Jun 7, 2005
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  14. Oh no, not *the* infamous troll-hole again...
     
    William Stacy, Jun 7, 2005
    #54
  15. My lenses cost $180 and that was at a discount 3 years ago. Most stores were selling them
    for $225 to $250. And they don't work too well either.
     
    DaveJohnson12, Jun 7, 2005
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  16. AsianMale

    drfrank21 Guest

    Dan> I've got to disagree with Bev and agree with Rod here. I define
    normal
    Dan, your definition is way too simplistic. Does a strab (somebody with
    no binocularity but monocular va's of 20/20) have normal vision??
    Or someone with a significant amount of hyperopia cranking out
    his/her accommodation (as a result, severe eye strain) to achieve
    20/20 va's declared normal vision?? Yes, that person is seeing
    20/20 uncorrected but causing a lot of eye discomfort as a result.

    frank
     
    drfrank21, Jun 7, 2005
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  17. AsianMale

    Stug Guest

    Why are you cross-posting this shit to a suicide methods newsgroup? Please
    kindly piss off.

    **** you very much

    SG
     
    Stug, Jun 7, 2005
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  18. AsianMale

    Dan Abel Guest

    Dan> I've got to disagree with Bev and agree with Rod here. I define
    normal
    Dan, your definition is way too simplistic.[/QUOTE]

    That's what comes out of having a layperson trying to define technical
    terms! We tend to see things in terms of what is at hand, rather than the
    big picture.

    Let's summarize this thread:


    1. A possible troll stated that hyperopes have no reason to complain
    about glasses because they can see just fine at distance.

    2. Bev responded that hyperopes can't see *anything* at *any* distance
    without correction.

    3. A different possible troll responded that *most* <emphasis mine>
    hyperopes only need glasses to see up close.

    4. Bev responded that those people have normal vision.

    5. I disagreed, but posted a response that was too simplistic. What I
    perhaps *should* have responded was that I don't consider a non-presbyopic
    hyperope who only needs glasses to see close, to have "normal vision".

    Is that better, drfrank21? Do you consider Rod's statement that most
    hyperopes only need glasses to see up close, to be true in your
    experience?
     
    Dan Abel, Jun 7, 2005
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  19. AsianMale

    drfrank21 Guest

    That's what comes out of having a layperson trying to define technical
    terms! We tend to see things in terms of what is at hand, rather than the
    big picture.

    Let's summarize this thread:


    1. A possible troll stated that hyperopes have no reason to complain
    about glasses because they can see just fine at distance.

    2. Bev responded that hyperopes can't see *anything* at *any* distance
    without correction.

    3. A different possible troll responded that *most* <emphasis mine>
    hyperopes only need glasses to see up close.

    4. Bev responded that those people have normal vision.

    5. I disagreed, but posted a response that was too simplistic. What I
    perhaps *should* have responded was that I don't consider a non-presbyopic
    hyperope who only needs glasses to see close, to have "normal vision".

    Is that better, drfrank21? Do you consider Rod's statement that most
    hyperopes only need glasses to see up close, to be true in your
    experience?
    [/QUOTE]

    Dan, a good summary but only add that it was started by a troll, not
    a possible troll. And it's impossible to state either way "whether most
    hyperopes only need glasses for near" without taking into account the
    actual amount of their hyperopic error. Thus most hyperopes with a +.50
    D refractive error do not need any glasses while most (all) hyperopes
    need a full time correction with a +5.00 D refractive error. So the op
    troll was dead wrong with his assumption(s).

    And then you add that people's definitions of "normal" can be totally
    different. I've seen patients who have told me their vision is "fine"
    and "normal" when in fact their vision is quite a bit less than 20/20
    (as low as 20/200).
    Conversely, I've had patients decry their vision was "terrible"
    and they were seeing 20/15.

    frank
     
    drfrank21, Jun 7, 2005
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  20. AsianMale

    AsianMale Guest

    So the op
    troll was dead wrong with his assumption(s).

    I was not wrong. I am never wrong. Hyperopes have better lives than
    us. Haven't you read the things that say that people who wear
    farsighted glasses have less tension, better blood pressure, less
    headaches, less eye pain, less eye strain, etc. etc.?
     
    AsianMale, Jun 8, 2005
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