will myopia always progress or does it stop at around age 25?

will myopia always progress or does it stop at around age 25?


someone in another usenet group told me this:

"A recent study in Hong Kong showed what other studies have
shown - wearing less than a full correction will slow the
progress of the myopia."


This is a quote from Otis. I also see stuff like that in my vision
improvement book. My vision slowed down its decline around age 18 but
this is normal for most people. I also remember not updating my
pescription for 3 years, from 18 to 21 so while I didnt know I was
doing a good thing, my eyes only got -.25 diopters worse then I got new
glasses at 21 and it got another -.25 diopters worse. Now that ive
learned, im never getting overminused glasses. almost a year ago I was
tested at -5.5(left) and -5(right) now after all those months of
exercising my eyes and undercorrecting me I see pretty much fine with
-4.25 glasses(both eyes) and I see my BCVA with -5(left) -4.75(right)
glasses which I got when I was 21. My -4.25s are only a tiny bit weak
but they wont be as I resolve more pseudomyopia.

 

If your 25 your eyes arent going to get worse quicky, maybe 1/4 diopter
worse every 2 years if you go about the way you are. My moms eyes only
got 1/2 diopter worse in the last several years. Otis is an expert on
this and he can probably elaborate on this. The first thing you should
start is DONT use glasses to read, you are nearsighted, why would you
need glasses to read if you can see clearly from near without them? How
far away do you sit from the computer?

 

wrote in @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

This is the same person who i quoted.


Your eyes will not get any worse from age 25 until age 60+ except about
..25.




Your reading talking thing is something about supersition.


People with 20/20 do not use reading glasses.

 

My moms eyes got more nearsighted in her 50s so its true your eyes can
get worse at any age. I know of people who gained a few diopters more
myopia in middle age. I did not say you need reading glasses, just take
your glasses off to read if you dont want worse eyes so fast. Like I
said, if you cant read without your minus glasses you either are a high
myope or have astigmastim. I am a -4.5 and reading is much easier
without glasses than with it because im nearsighed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

In addition, it is not normal for myopia to get worse .25 or .5 ever two
years past age 28 or so.


What kind of eye stress is that person going through?


Either way, your comments and fear of getting worse myopia are
superstituous.

 

Its not normal, but then their vision habits werent normal either. Hey
its your eyes to do what you want. Otis has warned everyone that
overusing the minus lense, especially reading with a minus lense leds
to stair-case myopia. I dont use the minus lense for reading because
theres no need to.

 

Thanks for telling me that. I guess I can stop reading or using a
computer now, because I won't be able to see them anymore.

 

Hello Ace

Well if you listen to Otis Brown then you are a gullible fool. Otis Brown
knows nothing about myopia progression except old wives tales and hearsay.

Why would you get overminused glasses anyway? Eye doctors don't prescribe
them. They don't cause anything bad to happen (of course your hero Otis
will tell you they cause "staircase myopia"). They may give you a headache.

I think you are Ace.
Thought you would get a new e-mail identity so you could talk to yourself?

 

Dear Ace,

Subject: If you ask intelligent questions about the eye's
natural behavior -- you are called nasty names.

No one asks "perfect" questions. But it does pay to
keep on pushing your knowledge. Eventually
your questions get more "focused" (no pun intended)
and you understand more than most.

that a negative refractive state could be prevented -- IF -- the
person will begin agressive use of the plus before their
eye-chart gets "deeper" than about 20/50 or 20/60.

There is considerable amount of primate data (scientific)
that supports THAT second opinion. But, I acknowledge
that most people do not "like" the kind of "agressive"
use of the plus that true-prevention takes.

Since I sense "hostility" here, I suspect that the
grinding tradition (minus lens) of the last
400 years will continue.


Some additional commentary:

Otis> This is correct. The Oakley-Young study demonstrated
that children "under-prescribed" (20/40) who also wore a +1.5 diopters
STOPPED further negative movement. (over 4 years -0.025 -- virtually
zero) while the full minus went "down" at a steady -1/2 diopter
per year over the four years -- thus gaining -2.;0 diotpers.
These are population-averages. Some when down much
faster, while some remained the same. But the average
is what is important.

Well if you listen to Otis Brown then you are a gullible fool. Otis
Brown
knows nothing about myopia progression except old wives tales and
hearsay.

Otis> If you start wearing an over-prescrived minus (with no discussion
of the preventive second-opinion) you have become a victim
of excessive arrogance and ignorance of the dynamic nature
of the fundamental eye. But that is indeed why a
true "second-opinion" must be developed.

Ace, just keep on asking the questions -- and running
the experiments to verify the dynamic nature of the
fundamental eye.

Best,

Otis

 

for children this may work.


nevertheless, vision and myopia settles at around age 25 and there is not
much change for the rest of a person's life.


ace gave an individual case about his mom's myopia increasing at age 50 by
-.5


I am not sure about the circumstances or about her previous perscription or
how long it took for it to get -.5 worse.


Nevertheless, he is basing individual experiment on a whole population,
which is bad generalatization.


Otis is generalizing his study of CHILDREN in certain probably rural
countries on whole population as well.



Both those studies are not generalizable to all population.


If myopia was a diease maybe it would get worse every two years, but it is
not a diease.


People with myopia are like everyone else and their eye SHAPE settles down
at around age 25.

 

Thanks Otis! I have another question, how dynamic is the adult eye at
age 25, 30, 40, 50? Can they still develop a large amount of more axial
myopia? Spockie has me worried! His eyes have gotten worse in the last
3 years and from what ive learned from you and others, his eyes will
keep getting worse because he uses his eyes incorrectly! He uses the
minus lense for reading when he should be removing the minus lense or
better yet use the plus lense to clear some myopia. I am a -4.5 and I
take my minus lense off when reading, making sure to hold the book far
enough so its just into the blur threshold and ive noticed my eyes
improving! In one of your studies, Otis you said the rate of
improvement is 1/4 diopter every 4 months! I have been exercising for
close to a year now and have improved 1/2 to 3/4 diopters so far I
will keep up the good vision habits forever. I hope to get my myopia
down to -2.5 which is what Spockie's pescription is. By then Spockie's
pescription will have gone up so I could have my myopia less than
Spockie's myopia! I will try to help Spockie clear his vision but he
has to care about his eyes and make the effort!

 

LOL.

I don't know if it a an Otis sock puppet but Ace is a Kook spelled with
a capital K.......

 

Dear Ace,

While the ODs "react" to my statements about the
natural eye's behavior -- that is a mistake.

I wish they would just DISCUSS the possibility
of YOUR using the plus wisely BEFORE they
put you into a minus lens.

If you had good vision at age 5 (a refractive state
of zero to +2 diopters) then I believe you
could have kept it through diciplined use
of the plus.

But it must be at that point. And given
the profound hostility to the concept by
these majority-opinion ODs, it must
be by your own personal decision.

Tragically, once you begin wearing that
minus lens all the time, your eye's adapt
to them (and the original reason) is not
stopped.

You might well have rejected the "plus" at
20/50. But we will never know. But had you
been offered it -- and turned it down, the
stair-case myopia that develops from the
minus would be your responsibility.

That is the type of "open" discussion we
should be having. But it is obviously
not going to develop under the
"closed minds" we have about
the proven behavior of the natural eye.

I obviously can not "fight" this "system".

Best,

Otis

 

Dear Ace,

It sure appears the above is medical advice.

Please disregard Otis's postings as he is not in the medical profession and
not in any position to give medical advice.

Thank you!

Allen

 

Will your "belief" stand up to rigorous testing, in accordance with
the commonly accepted scientific method?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

Uncle Otie. Put down the eggnog and back away from the computer....