will myopia always progress or does it stop at around age 25?

Discussion in 'Optometry Archives' started by Spockie, Dec 24, 2005.

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    Spockie Guest

    will myopia always progress or does it stop at around age 25?

    someone in another usenet group told me this:

    "A recent study in Hong Kong showed what other studies have
    shown - wearing less than a full correction will slow the
    progress of the myopia."

    This is a quote from Otis. I also see stuff like that in my vision
    improvement book. My vision slowed down its decline around age 18 but
    this is normal for most people. I also remember not updating my
    pescription for 3 years, from 18 to 21 so while I didnt know I was
    doing a good thing, my eyes only got -.25 diopters worse then I got new
    glasses at 21 and it got another -.25 diopters worse. Now that ive
    learned, im never getting overminused glasses. almost a year ago I was
    tested at -5.5(left) and -5(right) now after all those months of
    exercising my eyes and undercorrecting me I see pretty much fine with
    -4.25 glasses(both eyes) and I see my BCVA with -5(left) -4.75(right)
    glasses which I got when I was 21. My -4.25s are only a tiny bit weak
    but they wont be as I resolve more pseudomyopia.
    Spockie, Dec 24, 2005
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    acemanvx Guest

    If your 25 your eyes arent going to get worse quicky, maybe 1/4 diopter
    worse every 2 years if you go about the way you are. My moms eyes only
    got 1/2 diopter worse in the last several years. Otis is an expert on
    this and he can probably elaborate on this. The first thing you should
    start is DONT use glasses to read, you are nearsighted, why would you
    need glasses to read if you can see clearly from near without them? How
    far away do you sit from the computer?
    acemanvx, Dec 24, 2005
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    Spockie Guest

    wrote in @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

    This is the same person who i quoted.

    Your eyes will not get any worse from age 25 until age 60+ except about

    Your reading talking thing is something about supersition.

    People with 20/20 do not use reading glasses.
    Spockie, Dec 24, 2005
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    acemanvx Guest

    My moms eyes got more nearsighted in her 50s so its true your eyes can
    get worse at any age. I know of people who gained a few diopters more
    myopia in middle age. I did not say you need reading glasses, just take
    your glasses off to read if you dont want worse eyes so fast. Like I
    said, if you cant read without your minus glasses you either are a high
    myope or have astigmastim. I am a -4.5 and reading is much easier
    without glasses than with it because im nearsighed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    acemanvx, Dec 24, 2005
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    Spockie Guest

    In addition, it is not normal for myopia to get worse .25 or .5 ever two
    years past age 28 or so.

    What kind of eye stress is that person going through?

    Either way, your comments and fear of getting worse myopia are
    Spockie, Dec 24, 2005
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    acemanvx Guest

    Its not normal, but then their vision habits werent normal either. Hey
    its your eyes to do what you want. Otis has warned everyone that
    overusing the minus lense, especially reading with a minus lense leds
    to stair-case myopia. I dont use the minus lense for reading because
    theres no need to.
    acemanvx, Dec 24, 2005
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    Dan Abel Guest

    Thanks for telling me that. I guess I can stop reading or using a
    computer now, because I won't be able to see them anymore.
    Dan Abel, Dec 24, 2005
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    RM Guest

    RM, Dec 24, 2005
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    RM Guest

    Hello Ace
    Well if you listen to Otis Brown then you are a gullible fool. Otis Brown
    knows nothing about myopia progression except old wives tales and hearsay.
    Why would you get overminused glasses anyway? Eye doctors don't prescribe
    them. They don't cause anything bad to happen (of course your hero Otis
    will tell you they cause "staircase myopia"). They may give you a headache.

    I think you are Ace.
    Thought you would get a new e-mail identity so you could talk to yourself?
    RM, Dec 24, 2005
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    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Ace,

    Subject: If you ask intelligent questions about the eye's
    natural behavior -- you are called nasty names.

    No one asks "perfect" questions. But it does pay to
    keep on pushing your knowledge. Eventually
    your questions get more "focused" (no pun intended)
    and you understand more than most.
    that a negative refractive state could be prevented -- IF -- the
    person will begin agressive use of the plus before their
    eye-chart gets "deeper" than about 20/50 or 20/60.

    There is considerable amount of primate data (scientific)
    that supports THAT second opinion. But, I acknowledge
    that most people do not "like" the kind of "agressive"
    use of the plus that true-prevention takes.

    Since I sense "hostility" here, I suspect that the
    grinding tradition (minus lens) of the last
    400 years will continue.

    Some additional commentary:

    Otis> This is correct. The Oakley-Young study demonstrated
    that children "under-prescribed" (20/40) who also wore a +1.5 diopters
    STOPPED further negative movement. (over 4 years -0.025 -- virtually
    zero) while the full minus went "down" at a steady -1/2 diopter
    per year over the four years -- thus gaining -2.;0 diotpers.
    These are population-averages. Some when down much
    faster, while some remained the same. But the average
    is what is important.
    Well if you listen to Otis Brown then you are a gullible fool. Otis
    knows nothing about myopia progression except old wives tales and

    Otis> If you start wearing an over-prescrived minus (with no discussion
    of the preventive second-opinion) you have become a victim
    of excessive arrogance and ignorance of the dynamic nature
    of the fundamental eye. But that is indeed why a
    true "second-opinion" must be developed.

    Ace, just keep on asking the questions -- and running
    the experiments to verify the dynamic nature of the
    fundamental eye.


    otisbrown, Dec 24, 2005
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    Spockie Guest

    for children this may work.

    nevertheless, vision and myopia settles at around age 25 and there is not
    much change for the rest of a person's life.

    ace gave an individual case about his mom's myopia increasing at age 50 by

    I am not sure about the circumstances or about her previous perscription or
    how long it took for it to get -.5 worse.

    Nevertheless, he is basing individual experiment on a whole population,
    which is bad generalatization.

    Otis is generalizing his study of CHILDREN in certain probably rural
    countries on whole population as well.

    Both those studies are not generalizable to all population.

    If myopia was a diease maybe it would get worse every two years, but it is
    not a diease.

    People with myopia are like everyone else and their eye SHAPE settles down
    at around age 25.
    Spockie, Dec 24, 2005
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    acemanvx Guest

    Thanks Otis! I have another question, how dynamic is the adult eye at
    age 25, 30, 40, 50? Can they still develop a large amount of more axial
    myopia? Spockie has me worried! His eyes have gotten worse in the last
    3 years and from what ive learned from you and others, his eyes will
    keep getting worse because he uses his eyes incorrectly! He uses the
    minus lense for reading when he should be removing the minus lense or
    better yet use the plus lense to clear some myopia. I am a -4.5 and I
    take my minus lense off when reading, making sure to hold the book far
    enough so its just into the blur threshold and ive noticed my eyes
    improving! In one of your studies, Otis you said the rate of
    improvement is 1/4 diopter every 4 months! I have been exercising for
    close to a year now and have improved 1/2 to 3/4 diopters so far :) I
    will keep up the good vision habits forever. I hope to get my myopia
    down to -2.5 which is what Spockie's pescription is. By then Spockie's
    pescription will have gone up so I could have my myopia less than
    Spockie's myopia! I will try to help Spockie clear his vision but he
    has to care about his eyes and make the effort!
    acemanvx, Dec 24, 2005
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    Charles Guest


    I don't know if it a an Otis sock puppet but Ace is a Kook spelled with
    a capital K.......
    Charles, Dec 24, 2005
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    otisbrown Guest

    Dear Ace,

    While the ODs "react" to my statements about the
    natural eye's behavior -- that is a mistake.

    I wish they would just DISCUSS the possibility
    of YOUR using the plus wisely BEFORE they
    put you into a minus lens.

    If you had good vision at age 5 (a refractive state
    of zero to +2 diopters) then I believe you
    could have kept it through diciplined use
    of the plus.

    But it must be at that point. And given
    the profound hostility to the concept by
    these majority-opinion ODs, it must
    be by your own personal decision.

    Tragically, once you begin wearing that
    minus lens all the time, your eye's adapt
    to them (and the original reason) is not

    You might well have rejected the "plus" at
    20/50. But we will never know. But had you
    been offered it -- and turned it down, the
    stair-case myopia that develops from the
    minus would be your responsibility.

    That is the type of "open" discussion we
    should be having. But it is obviously
    not going to develop under the
    "closed minds" we have about
    the proven behavior of the natural eye.

    I obviously can not "fight" this "system".


    otisbrown, Dec 24, 2005
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    A Lieberman Guest

    Dear Ace,

    It sure appears the above is medical advice.

    Please disregard Otis's postings as he is not in the medical profession and
    not in any position to give medical advice.

    Thank you!

    A Lieberman, Dec 24, 2005
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    Neil Brooks Guest

    Will your "belief" stand up to rigorous testing, in accordance with
    the commonly accepted scientific method?


    Uncle Otie. Put down the eggnog and back away from the computer....
    Neil Brooks, Dec 24, 2005
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